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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of June 2038
Details
Submitted by[?]: Patriot Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2039
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Patriot Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Inactive
Article 3
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the 3wide.com Antiparticulates
Article 4
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Social Dynamist Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the
Article 6
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the
Article 7
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the 3wide.com Antiparticulates
Article 8
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Social Dynamist Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Social Dynamist Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Freedom Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From | Inactive | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | I urge everyone who has seats to support this. It will help majorly with the stability of the Nations government. |
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From | | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | First, the cabinet should be made up of the parties which have enough seats to reach a majority. Secondly, the head of this government should be from a leading party, such as the SDP. The Moderates are against a cabinet which fails to recognize these concepts of coalition. |
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From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | But then you'll have a problem if the majority party is not the president. The President is the HEAD OF STATE!!!! Therefore, he/she is head of the government. Did you fail politics? I am trying to satisfy people by giving all parties a place in the cabinet! I believe I only gave myself one position and that as head of the Government because I am the President. |
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From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | So we have a goverment with 100 seats, and an opposition of the hitherto inactive maayanster party? Moreover, I doubt that the natures of all the parties named in government will form even a remotely consistent set of policies. While the SDP has no opposition to parties taking responsibility for issues closer to their political ideology, the most efficient coalitions tend to be composed of fewer, larger, and politicaly more similar parties. |
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From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | Now there you have a point Social Dynamist. I was trying to put a cabinet together though that ranges the political Spectrum. Makes it fresher to have ideas across the spectrum to debate! It can also lead to better bills considering all parties will have a say and everyone does have good ideas that can mesh together into a bill. |
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From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | I'd like to point out that to secure a majority, any bill must have the support of the TMP, the RP, and the 3WA, or the SDP plus the TMP or 3WA (unless there is an absention). A TMP/3WA and SDP/RP split results in a hung parliament. |
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From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | ok look guys.
we can debate this for ever. but if you haven't noticed, we have a new set of elections in 3 days. I personally believe that we need to decide whether or not the head of state (president, i.e. US) chooses the cabinet or the majority party in essence (i.e UK) chooses it by winning the head of state.
So let's pass this, decide how we want to run this nation, and then go with that method in the next election ok? |
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From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | I agree with the Freedom Party and I hope his party isn't based on the Freedom Party of Harry Turtledove's Alternate History set I could name. |
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From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | Now, what I reccommend is that the president chooses two or three main parties, and maybe one non-sitting party and forms a government with that. As to the choice of parties, I suggest that parties create or fill out their 'manifestos' in their party page under description, and the RP finds a government with enough common ground to function - or at least to divide up the areas of government so the policies are consistent. |
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From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | I could get behind that Social Dynamist. It can be instituted in the next election. However, we still have to decide this cabinet. |
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From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | I agree. The art of majority forming needs to be in play. But let's get one cabinet in play for now, and we go from there. first try we can live with a mistake or two |
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From | | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of June 2038 | | Message | Republicans: By "representative and reasonable", we mean a government that reflects the makeup of parliament. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 15 |
| no | Total Seats: 56 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy allows you to establish an unelected head of state like a monarch or a president-for-life, but doing this is a bit of a process. First elect a candidate with the name "." to the Head of State position. Then change your law on the "Structure of the executive branch" to "The head of state is hereditary and symbolic; the head of government chairs the cabinet" and change the "formal title of the head of state" to how you want the new head of state's title and name to appear (eg. King Percy XVI). |
| Random quote: "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." - Robert Anton Wilson |