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Bill: Cultural Rectification of Government
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tudeh Party of Quanzar
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2102
Description[?]:
| In order to rid the government of linguistically-imperialist terms and to reassert national independence, we declare that: 1. The chairman of the cabinet shall no longer be known as a Prime Minister but as an Hazrat-e Ashraf. 2. The national legislative chamber shall no longer be known as a Parliament but as a Majlis. 3. The subnational entity shall no longer be known as a Region but as an Ostan. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current:
| Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri (President of the Council of Ministers) |
Proposed: Hazrat-e Ashraf
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Parliament
Current:
| Camera dei Deputati (Chamber of Deputies) |
Proposed: Majlis
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: Region
Current: Regione
Proposed: Ostan
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:22:21, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: I thought that when the new parliament is elected, it'd be nice if we could all agree to make the nation a bit more like a nation than it was before. Don't worry, no vote shall be introduced before elections results, etc ;) |
| Date | 14:49:46, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: So you are looking towards making this more of a Arabic/Islamic state in culture and nature I'm guessing? Is this what it was before? I think it would be much more inclusive to people to not state any sort of cultural aim of the emirate since it may turn people away from getting involved in this nation. |
| Date | 15:03:16, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: Well, if you look at it as it stands, the nation is an emirate, so I'd imagine it'd be Arabic or something along those lines. I've chosen to participate as the Tudeh Party. The real Tudeh Party (Hezb-e Tudeh-ye Iran) was founded in 1941 in Iran as a successor to the Communist Party there and it remains an illegal organisation with its headquarters in London (I think). I don't think that creating a Persian / Farsi / Arabic nation will alienate anyone. We already have the maximum eight parties, and one of those is an Islamic Fundamentalist party, apparently. I think it makes the place more fun and a lot less generic. |
| Date | 15:51:09, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: Well I don't think it would. The way it is now we could develop a very good storyline for the nation as it stands. Quanzar could have been a Christian nation that was taken over by the Muslims in the 11th century but remain a majority Christian nation. After a rebellion in the late 19th century Christian rebels drove out the Muslims and established the current day emirate. I think this sort of storyline for the nation could do well to keep people like myself, who do not want to give the country a pure Islamic flavour, happy as well as make the country different from others that are out there. It could also explain why we have an Islamic Fundamentalist Party, they are a party of the Islamic minority in Quanzar. Also is it true that our Emir is elected? I think it says that in the Constitution. |
| Date | 16:35:36, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: I'm not at all trying to give any sort of religious flavour (Islamic or not) to the nation, rather a cultural one. An emirate is a sytem of governance above which an emir presides, and emirs are of a Persian and Arabic tradition rather than of a Christian (culturally, rather than religiously, although both apply) nature and I find it hard to believe a Christian nation would ever become an emirate. However, if a Christian leader called himself an emir, I think it would be entirely feasible that a Christian prime minister could call himself an Hazrat-e Ashraf. More importantly, I am not endorsing the adoption of Islam or of any form of Islamicism. Being Persian-themed or being Arabic-themed does not at all entail being Islamic. Similarly, if I was proposing changing Hazrat-e Ashraf to Prime Minister, I wouldn't be advocating giving the country a pure Christian flavour. I'd like Quanzar to be something many nations in the real world with Persian or Arabic heritage find it possible to be - a modern, democratic and, most of all, a secular society. I think that we should move away from parliaments and senates and assemblies because, as far as I know, these are far too common in this game and, again as far as I know, we'd be the first with a majlis, etc. As regards the HoS, it says in the Laws of the Land* that "The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic, the Head of Government chairs the cabinet." Whilst I want a democratically-elected HoS, I didn't want to incorporate that aspect into what is, essentially, a renaming bill. That can wait. * http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewvariables.php?nationid=39 (There is, by the way, not a Persian bone in my body, and neither is there a drop of Arabic blood in my veins. I am not a Muslim, nor a Druze, nor a Zoroastrian nor anything like that.) |
| Date | 16:37:13, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | Last sentence, second paragraph should read: I'd like Quanzar to be something many nations in the real world with Persian or Arabic heritage find it impossible to be - a modern, democratic and, most of all, a secular society. |
| Date | 21:32:05, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: Alright sounds fine by me. I guess if this passes I'll have to change my characters names to something more Arabic. ;-) |
| Date | 01:31:33, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: If you're looking for names, then I humbly suggest http://persia.org/Information/boys.html and http://persia.org/Information/girls.html The Tudeh Party thanks the DAA2100 for its support in this matter and extolls its patriotic will. |
| Date | 03:29:54, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: I know a good amout of Arabic/Persian names, how can you not watching the news today. Well if this does change I'll just have to change them that's all. Oh and that's a great acronym. DAA2100. I like it. Much better than just plain old DA. |
| Date | 09:14:58, August 26, 2005 CET | From | NeoSocialist Party | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: I like the acronyms but about the history of our country I think we should start writing on the Wiki little by little, everybody mix their ideas and we'll see what will happen ;) We must have a reason for why we started having elections only few years ago and not 100 yrs ago like the other nations... |
| Date | 10:34:01, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | How could the NeoSocialist party forget... um... a bourgeois democratic revolution that swept out someone or other and ushered in a new era of modernisation? I think. |
| Date | 23:54:53, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | OOC: Probably the easiest way to describe it would be that the NeoSocs developed as an anti-colonial movement and that they were the only party for many years before they began allowing free and fair elections. Nothing against the NeoSocs but we did have a few elections where you won 100% of the vote. |
| Date | 10:54:05, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Cultural Rectification of Government |
| Message | Right, I'm going to move to a vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 142 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 19 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 90 |
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