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Bill: Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy

Details

Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2104

Description[?]:

The government has no right to spend tax dollars on certain things.

Those voting in favor of this bill agree that, when possible, the government should not spend money on matters other than protecting the individual citizens of Lodamun.

When a deficit exists:
The government shall attempt to reduce or eliminate it by reductions in spending.
When this is not possible, it shall be funded by increases to the luxury sales tax.
If neither are possible, it shall be funded by a increase in the income tax applied equally to all brackets.

When a surplus exists, the government shall:
Apply it to the payment of a national debt.
Or
Reduce taxation(preferably reductions to a progressive income tax)

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date01:35:01, August 26, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageWe would support thge cutting of international aid, and the central funding of local libraries. However the incentives to use environmentaly friendly fuels and collective transport are in reality savings for the government over the long term.

Date14:38:32, August 26, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageThey certainly are. We trust that proposal will be deleted.

We will of course oppose the first article, which recommends an abdication of our international commitments.

The article cutting funding for the states' library systems requires some thought. Libraries exist to help advance knowledge, as part of a diversified array of educational offerings. If federal governmment funding is to be cut, does this mean that the libraries will have to close? Are local governments to be permitted to raise taxes of their own to cover this new expense? Does it make sense for the government in Port Andalay to fund prison libraries, but not libraries available to the general public?

Date16:35:01, August 26, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageLIbraries are currently funded by the people of Lodamun, but managed by the local authorities. This gives the localities no choice over whether to have libraries or not. If they choose to have libraries, they can raise the money from those in their area, those who would use that library. Right now, everyone pays and some benefit more than others. This would return the control closer to the people.

Date17:26:32, August 26, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageThe advantage of providing some funding from central government is to ensure the entire country benefits from the book stock. By relying entirely upon local authorities to provide library services you not only disadvantage some states which cannot afford large stocks and cannot borrow them from an integrated national service, you also promote independence - if there is no benefit from the being part of a federation, why be in it?

Date17:36:00, August 26, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageIf some states cannot afford large stocks of books, there is still no justification for making other states pay for them. Either way, the states get their funding from the same place the national government does, the people.

Date18:11:06, August 26, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
Message"The national government provides local governments with funding to operate libraries."

This does not mean that all funding comes from national government. The central resource complements the state funding and provides a nationwide loan and distribution facility so that a book borrowed in Kregon, where a borrower lives, can be returned in Andalay, where the same borrower may work. It also provides an opportunity for maximum discount benefit for bulk purchases and the integration facility allows national circulation, creating a much more efficient and cost effective operation than the five separate services this bill would create.

Date01:00:37, August 27, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
Messagejust as an aside, we hope that the economy of Lodamun is not in the hands of people who beleive in "random expenditure cuts." If spending is to be cut, we certainly hope earnestly it is in pursuit of some fiscal goal, not just random ideology-motivated hacking. May we suggest that the government economic team attempt to plan rationally, not randomly?

Date03:12:19, August 27, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
Message"Random" refers to the fact that the goal of these differing proposals is only similar in one respect, to reduce needless government expenditures. The total level of taxation is always equal to the total level of government spending. Would you prefer "Miscellaneous?"

The arguments in favor of all of these proposals have already been addressed in other bills, feel free to answer points made before.

Date04:43:31, August 27, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageCan you split the proposals please - for some of us the issue of whether to fund something or not depends on what is proposed to be funded rather than the simple view of funding as little as possible

Date08:07:36, August 27, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageWhich proposals would you like to have split off?

Date10:15:46, August 27, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageAs foreign aid, libraries and use of private vehicles are all only linked in this bill by the issue of "funding", we'd like to see each one split off.

Date00:21:53, August 30, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageIs that better? Car subsidies are being moved elsewhere. Instead I added media subsidies.

Date00:22:30, August 30, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageThis bill will be submitted before the election deadline, I hope.

Date02:28:30, August 30, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessagePut TV and radio together, move libraries into a separate bill and aid to another.

Date02:29:00, August 30, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageWhat's LOD?

Date02:33:13, August 30, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageLodamun Dollars, its the official acronym for them...

Date02:34:18, August 30, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageLodamun Dollars, its the official acronym for them...

Date02:49:44, August 30, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageAh. Then for the sake of accuracy, please note that our aid is not given to foreign governments, only to foreign NGOs & cooperatives. If you want to be honest, just say "foreigners."

Date05:50:36, August 30, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
MessageThis bill will now be put to a vote, to preserve the debate here, without any proposals.

Date16:10:21, August 30, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Misc. Expenditure Cuts and Budget Policy
Messagewe feel future governments msut retain the right, if they have a surplus, to re-invest in social programmes.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 86

no
      

Total Seats: 214

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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