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Bill: Forgiveness is Divine
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2492
Description[?]:
| We propose that the resolution that the CWFP are traitors be formally revoked, and that the CWFP be given probationary status within Likatonia, subject to review upon further treasonous acts. By voting yes to this resolution, you agree: That the CWFP are no longer a threat to Likaton security That the previous grievous crimes of the CWFP are forgiven That the CWFP should not be referred to as traitors withour new, further evidence of treachery And that the CWFP are welcome, and even encouraged to seek any role in Likaton Government, including Emissary. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Si vis pacem, para bellum
Current: Strength in Freedom, Unity in Diversity
Proposed:
| In varietate concordia Meria: Som i serem Western Meria: Parva sub ingenti Hukatai: Einigkeit gibt Stärke Gokitan: Ex Unitate Vires Sorbanika: Wahdah, Hourriah, Ishtirakiah Lukaron: Edinost, sreča, sprava |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:48:48, November 25, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | OOC Note; Lukaron's motto should read "Edinost, sreca, sprava." the 'c' in 'sreca' should have a breve above it, but it appears to have been borked by the Particracy character set. |
| Date | 13:49:44, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | OOC: Did I say bvere? I meant caron. |
| Date | 15:20:02, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | First and foremost, the bill is ***unnecessary*** b/c the Convocation NEVER (in truth) voted to brand members of the CWFP as "traitors" b/c the language used by the Drang party NULLIFIED any contractual agreement. CWFP party representative took the matter to the Likatonian Supreme Court and the decision was ruled in our favor UNANIMOUSLY!!! Second, on a more practical note, we oppose this legislation b/c it DIVIDES the people. We should be united by one motto: "United we stand; Divided We fall!!!" |
| Date | 15:23:19, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | We do not recall any such Supreme Court ruling. The Convocation did vote that through, despite and accusations of trickery the real lesson was to read before voting (and that applies to all parties). We are open to a motto change in future, we merely wanted to ensure that the resolution needed a supermajority to pass, making it impossible to refute in future. In hindsight we may have got carried away with the motto(s). |
| Date | 21:34:17, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | The CWFP are lying. The language does nothing to negate the content. Even if it had, the CWFP didn't contest the language - indeed, they voted FOR the bill. They are, therefore, traitors by their own assent. Any sourgrapes whining AFTER the fact is irrelevent. As an additional note - the Supreme Court made no such ruling. Further - the Likatonian Supreme Court lacks the authority to overturn matters of national security. Such as the impeachment of the traitor CWFP party. |
| Date | 05:21:43, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | Can the minister of Justice, at the time, confirm this matter was taken to the Supreme court ? |
| Date | 06:25:41, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | When is the Supreme Court alleged to have gained power to decide these kinds of issues? If the Supreme Court had the scope the CWFP seems to wish they had, our jobs as Convocational ministers would be formalities, nothing more - we'd lack the actual power to change a thing. |
| Date | 18:59:12, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | Drang, the language that you used did, in fact, NULLIFY the contract. For example, you cited the authority of bill under IMMERENCE's Divine Power when the theocracy was ALREADY abolished. The CWFP contested the language in your follow-up bill renouncing us as traitors. We believe the Supreme did rule us in favor, because we never forced to leave Likatonia (haha)!!! The CWFP voted for the PROPOSALS to reduce the Corporate tax. |
| Date | 21:33:17, November 26, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Forgiveness is Divine |
| Message | The language did not invalidate the law. We didn't cite Immeressen as using divine power to cause the thing to pass, we merely pointed out that the AM SuDP are an Immeressent party. Is the CWFP really arguing that religious aprties are not allowed to propose laws? As we said - the CWFP voted FOR the bill. We don't really want to hear their whining now. We won't be responding to any more of it. Oh - the Supreme Court wouldn't have forced you to leave Likatonia anyway - the terms of the agreement were that you left GOVERNMENT, not the nation. Hence - impeachment, not exile. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 218 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 366 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 82 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "The more you observe politics, the more you've got to admit that each party is worse than the other." - Will Rogers |