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Bill: Retirement Age Act 2101
Details
Submitted by[?]: RSDP - Democratic Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2102
Description[?]:
| Be it enacted by the Federal Parliament of the Federated States of Rutania as follows: A person who has attained the age of 67 years shall, if he or she retires upon or after attaining said age, be entitled to full pension and retiremement benefits. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 70
Current: 64
Proposed: 67
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:31:41, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | Why precisesly do you think that the three year difference will have any effect? |
| Date | 11:34:02, August 26, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | Those three years that people will have to work less, can increase their lifespan for more than seven years. |
| Date | 11:34:44, August 26, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | And we would propose 65 as the professional retirement age, however we suggest 67 as a compromise. |
| Date | 14:03:08, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | We think that this will damage the economy AGAINST. |
| Date | 17:35:25, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | I agree with the Liberal Imperialists that now that the retirement age is 70 years old any lowering of this age would be a great detriment to the Rutanian economy and a great strain on the Social Security system. While we currently have a surplus that would not be enough to cover just the government's losses if we decided to go to a retirement age of 67 instead of 70. |
| Date | 18:10:56, August 26, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | Lowering the retirement age to 67 has the advantage that the retired will have years ahead of them to spend their money, which is an advantage to our economy. We currently do not need to have 70 as the official retirement age, our nation does not suffer from ageing and the costs for the pension system are not that great. |
| Date | 19:02:07, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | The retired will only have another 3 years... this act is silly and will put added strain on our economy for no benefit. |
| Date | 00:12:50, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | We support this. 70-year old people are not actually that efficient anymore, and a retirement age of 70 is just plain exploitative. |
| Date | 00:32:59, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | Whereas a retirement age of 67 is completely fine and of course everyone is efficient as ever at 67...? In jobs that require thought more than brute strength (ie 95% of jobs in our modern economy) older people perform better as they are more experienced. Can we debate facts, not stereotypes, please? |
| Date | 10:06:41, August 27, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | Yes, but after a certain age that better performance begins to disappear. The current retirement age is just an excuse to exploit people until they are 70 years old and shorten their life by several years. |
| Date | 14:43:58, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | I dont see a major difference between 67 and 70 tbh, except that 67 will make our economy slightly weaker. There is no reason for reducing it. |
| Date | 15:02:24, August 27, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | 67 will make our economy much stronger as the elderly will be able to travel, do things, etc. or in short, because the elderly would invest their money back in the economy. |
| Date | 15:03:21, August 27, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | And there is a major difference between 67 and 70. Lowering the professional retirement age to 67 would mean they live about 7 years longer, and would give the younger people who are now often unemployed the chance to find a job and get some experience. |
| Date | 15:19:26, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | "67 will make our economy much stronger as the elderly will be able to travel, do things, etc. or in short, because the elderly would invest their money back in the economy." Spending helps the economy in the short term but in the long term it damages it. Working and actually PRODUCING wealth is a much better method. Now I dont know where you're getting these figures about 'hordes of unemployed young people' because actually employers would rather employ younger people leading to discrimination against the elderly. Now either you're talking about young people with no qualifications or experience (who wont be able to replace a 69 year old with 40 or more years of experience) or you're talking about people who frankly arent unemployed and dont need extra jobs. |
| Date | 15:23:18, August 27, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | But the current retirement age does not allow younger people to get experience, and I get the numbers of unemployed young people from looking at the unemployment statistics and our retirement age. Our current retirement age is the reason why it's so high. And if the elderly spend more money, they consume more, so more must be produced, which in turn leads to more jobs, so in the long term it helps the economy. |
| Date | 13:00:19, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Retirement Age Act 2101 |
| Message | You're just making up stats. We dont have any information at all on how many young people are out of work. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 138 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 393 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 68 |
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