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Bill: Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tudeh Party of Quanzar
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2107
Description[?]:
| We recognise the recent electoral results showing a massive popular desire for progressive government, and we recognise that privilidges provided to any sector of the nation on an hereditary basis are incompatible with progressive government. Therefore, we propose that the current Emir will, after the next election, lose all executive power. Executive power, formerly divided from legislative power, will be handed over to the democratically-elected parliamentary chamber. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:45:20, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | Against. |
| Date | 21:10:26, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | Well if we are going to do away with the Emir then I say we have some sort of Presidential system. Under this system the PM would have too much power and their would not be enough seperation of branches. |
| Date | 23:42:01, August 26, 2005 CET | From | NeoSocialist Party | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | While we realize tradition are important we will not let our ally down and we'll vote in favour of the proposition but I guess we'll need to change the name of our nation as well as the flag. The point is that we need a compromise for such an important amendement to the constitution and we'd like to hear all voices |
| Date | 23:45:49, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | The PM would have enough power, and he is always democratically-accountable. The separation of legislative and executive powers works in favour of capitalism and against the interests of the worker. It is a continuation of the division of labour on which capitalism relies - the division of mental (deciding on laws) and manual (enforcing those laws) labour. By eliminating the gulf between legislature and executive, then the electors have the exclusive right and power of deciding policy. |
| Date | 23:47:23, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | Would it be a good idea to include such changes in this bill, NeoSocs? I quite like the sound of a Quanzari Republic. |
| Date | 23:52:29, August 26, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Alternative - Alliance 2100 | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | Personally I don't see what you're getting at. Besides a bunch of rhetoric that is trying to cloak this act in socialism in order to pander to the two major parties you give no actual reason why having a seperate head of state would be worse for the people. The people decide directly who they want to run the country under the Presidential system and thus it would give the people more of a voice in the choosing of the head of state. Under the current system a party could say that one person would be their head of state/head of government candidate and many of the people vote for that party because of that man but then that party can still change that candidate out for another one after the elections thusly negating the will of the people. It is for these reasons that the will of the people would be much stronger and much more direct in a system where the Head of Government and the Head of State are seperately elected. |
| Date | 00:15:18, August 27, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | This act is not cloaked in socialist rhetoric, it is a fundamental Marxist principle that the division of labour inhibits the development of society. I have given the reason that the separation of executive and legislative powers is a bad thing because it separates the thinkers from the doers when human beings are perfectly capable of thinking and doing at the same time. The people are not so stupid as to not recognise that under the Tudeh proposition they would have one vote to decide who they wish to represent them in the government of this country. They realise that if they elect a Tudeh government then they will have a Tudeh president. As for pandering to the two larger parties, I fail to see how the Tudehs are. We have proposed this without any consultation with any other party - this is the consultation at the moment and it happens with all parties - as we are a Marxist party and we are acting in a Marxist manner. If there is pandering, may I refer you to your cabinet proposal and the attempt to cosy up to a larger party. |
| Date | 00:48:00, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Free Thought Federation | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | We will oppose or support this depending on the toss of a coin |
| Date | 13:27:06, September 06, 2005 CET | From | NeoSocialist Party | To | Debating the Abolition of Hereditary Privilidges |
| Message | I'll vote yes, but the proposal is incomplete. Let me state that I support both Presidential and Parliamentary system, we still need to change both the Flag and the Name, Qanzari Republic surely sounds nice. Plus we need to give a name to the Head of State |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 120 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 131 |
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