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Bill: Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2103
Description[?]:
| The Federated Parliament of Rutania, Recognising that minorities in Rutania are being discriminated against by the current legislation; Declares that the Rutanian Federal and State governments shall enforce including minorities in its hiring policies. Further declares that the government shall encourages positive discrimination in the society by means of an advertising campaign called “Minorities Work!”, which shall emphasise that discriminatory hiring policies hurt businesses. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Positive discrimination.
Old value:: No form of positive discrimination is permitted.
Current: The government encourages positive discrimination and enforces it for government hiring.
Proposed: The government encourages positive discrimination and enforces it for government hiring.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:27:32, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | The LIP doesnt believe in discrimination. Against. |
| Date | 18:36:41, August 28, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Why do you refuse to allow companies to set an example by showing that members of the ethnic minorities or women can do the same job just as good as anyone else? |
| Date | 18:44:19, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Because this isnt saying that ethnic minorities or women can do the same job just as well as anyone else, this is saying that they cant and so they need help from the state. The way to end descrimination is to ban descrimination, not enforce it as government policy. |
| Date | 19:00:35, August 28, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | The best way to end discrimination in hiring is to encourage people to hire members of the ethnic minorities so that the "white" employees and their customers can get to know them better and get to trust them. That gives the ethnic minorities a better image, which in turn will put an end to discrimination. |
| Date | 19:47:30, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Despite rhetoric, the fact of the matter is that Rutanian minorities *are* being discriminated against and they *do* have less chances on a job despite all the merits they might have. And this bill proposes a government campaign that endorses the message of the LIP: ethnic minorities and women can do the same job just as well as anyone else. As can gay people, for example, and the disabled. |
| Date | 20:12:22, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | "Despite rhetoric, the fact of the matter is that Rutanian minorities *are* being discriminated against and they *do* have less chances on a job despite all the merits they might have." [OOC: TBH you have no evidence of that at all. It might be the case in RL Europe or America but this isnt RL Europe or America.] The LIP believes in a meritocracy. Discrimination of any kind if anti-meritocratic and will not have our support. |
| Date | 20:22:29, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | [OOC: All societies discriminate minorities. Expecting Rutania to be a meriticratic utopia is a stretch, esp. considering the sliders.] Rutania is not a meritocracy. We would like it to be closer to becoming one and therefore we urge other parties to support this. |
| Date | 21:27:23, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | [OOC: Yes, in RL Europe and America.] Discrimination does not promote a meritocracy, and so we are against this as it is discrimination. |
| Date | 21:59:44, August 28, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | It is not discrimination, it is creating equal opportunities to end discrimination. |
| Date | 22:01:21, August 28, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | No it isnt creating equal oppurtunities, it's denying jobs to more qualified people just because they happened not to be born in a minority. It's inverted racism and we, as a civilised society, should not even be discussing it. |
| Date | 01:46:22, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | The Civic Democrats don't agree with any sort of descrimination even positive descrimination. Against. |
| Date | 10:37:43, August 29, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | That depends on what your idea of positive discrimination is. ;-) In this case it obviously means rather hiring people who belong to an ethnic minority or women to ensure their equal participation in the workplace. However, the broader meaning of "positive discrimination" can mean hiring the best-qualified people. (as companies obviously prefer them over non-qualified people) |
| Date | 13:33:30, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Yey! More pedantics from the RSDP! Now we can argue about the meaning of the phrase "positive discrimination" for the next 8 bloody pages of debate whilst completely ignoring the actual issue! What fun! |
| Date | 14:00:59, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Against. This has been argued before and i have argued this with the RSDP and possibly the Liberty Movement as well. Vehemently against this racist proposal |
| Date | 16:24:42, August 29, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | "Yey! More pedantics from the RSDP! Now we can argue about the meaning of the phrase "positive discrimination" for the next 8 bloody pages of debate whilst completely ignoring the actual issue! What fun!" Pedantics? I merely pointed out that "positive discrimination" (as in this proposal) is only a part of the broader meaning of positive discrimination. |
| Date | 18:56:41, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | And is that anything to do with the issue at hand...? Can we just drop it. Ive had enough of argue over the validity of different dictionaries' definitions of words that seems to have been the level of debate in Rutania over the alst few days. |
| Date | 22:44:17, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | If the claims that positive actions to help minorities are racism would stop, it would help. The fact of the matter is that Rutanian minoriities are in deep trouble, and the government does *nothing* to help them. It even bans private organisations from helping them! This is truly disgusting. We could have a decent discussion on the merits of various policy alternatives, but the government has done nothing whatsoever to help minories. [OOC Discrimination only exists in Europe and America? Puh-lease. It is a global problem.] |
| Date | 22:49:18, August 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | Apartheid was "positive discrimination" if you happened to be white. The fact of the matter is that this legislation devalues people from minorities, even if they got their jobs on their own merit; it has been shown in other countries to cause resentment amongst the majority and, because the number of people who want and are qualified to do a job is not directly proportional to the percentage of the populace someone's minority group represents, it WILL lead to people being promoted where otherwise they would not have been promoted in favour of a better qualified candidate from a non-minority. This isnt libertarianism, this isnt a meritocracy - this is racism looked at from the other side. No more and no less. |
| Date | 00:40:48, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | "Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring" Yes it ends it against minorities and starts discriminating against the majority. *rolls eyes* |
| Date | 00:41:58, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Act Ending Discrimination Against Minorities in Hiring |
| Message | " It even bans private organisations from helping them!" Where does the government do this? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 185 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 524 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
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