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Bill: Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Radical Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2499
Description[?]:
| All people must be free to work, invest, and own property of whatever nature; and to dispose of it freely and as they wish. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The banking system.
Old value:: The government operates and owns all banks.
Current: The government operates a central bank and all other banks are private.
Proposed: The government operates a central bank and all other banks are private.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Commercial fishing regulation.
Old value:: Commercial fishing is completely banned
Current: Local governments can establish fishing quotas
Proposed: There are no limits on the amount of fish that may be caught.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards labor unions.
Old value:: Trade unions may exist and all workers must have membership in one.
Current: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Proposed: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government requires all businesses to be run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:07:11, December 06, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | Interesting that the AM RLP equates liberty, equality and brotherhood with commercial fishing. |
| Date | 23:08:08, December 06, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | (1) BANKRUMPT businesses should get loans to help them get back on their feet. Otherwise, it would lead to the growth of MONOPOLIES!!! (3) The CWFP is a strong supporter of loans and tax credits to worker-owned businesses!!! |
| Date | 07:05:59, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | Pensions - irrelevent. Banking - irrelevent. Uncontrolled fishing... insane, but irrelevent. DWCs - irrelevent. Trade Unions - irrelevent. The market - irrelevent, although we like that the RLP is joining our anti-technology war. We haven't yet decided whether protecting the environment will trump destroying industry with our allies in the RLP. |
| Date | 12:51:08, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | We give these propositions our full support. |
| Date | 16:18:54, December 07, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | PDA - We want the brotherhood of fishermen to have the liberty to compete with equalitly with other food producers CWFP - Bankrupt industrires became that way due to ineffecient processes or operation. To support them is pouring good money after bad. If the industry has a valid plan to get out of bankruptcy, the private sector will offer financing. Offering loans/tax credits to worker owned business is discriminatory to those owned by other combinations of persons; and the AM RLP is opposed to discriminatory legislation. |
| Date | 18:29:18, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | The RLP claims to be against discriminatory legislation, but we have seen them vote FOR banning abortion. The RLP are against discriminatory legislation when it suits them. |
| Date | 18:43:37, December 07, 2007 CET | From | Axis Mundi Democratic Bloc | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | We oppose these measures. |
| Date | 07:44:24, December 08, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | RLP, giving tax credits to worker owned business is NOT "discriminatory" the economic status of workers is NOT equal to the economic status of wealthy investors. Case in point: in Likatonia, 100 Pennies make 1 Likath Dollar Bill, right? Well, a worker would represent a miniscule PENNY, and, since the avg. C.E.O. makes ~500x the salary of the workers, the Wealthy Employer would represent a crisp clean 5 Likath Dollar bill??? Now, where is the EQUALITY in a "penny" and a "5 Likath Dollar Bill"??? Therefore, in order to make the economy a LEVEL-playing field, it is the perogative of the representatives in a democratic govenment is to ensure that smaller 500 pennies have the capacity to ORGANIZE into a rival 5 Likath bill. |
| Date | 11:16:30, December 08, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | Support. |
| Date | 14:26:28, December 10, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | KAP - We are in favor of allowing the workers to organize and run their business. We do not see why a group of investore who happen to work for a company and wish to buy it should be given preference over a group of outside investors who wish to make the same choice. A level playing field would give any group of potential investors an equal opportuniy to invest. |
| Date | 21:02:19, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Neue Kommunistische Liga | To | Debating the Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort! - Return to Sane Economics |
| Message | NEIN! This undermines everything that every likatonian dreams of! This piece of Capitalizt (Purposely spelled with z) propaganda CAN NOT PASS! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 220 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 404 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 42 |
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| Random quote: "Law is mind without reason." - Aristotle |