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Bill: Reform Act, 2103
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2106
Description[?]:
| Title of Head of Cabinet - We propose it is altered to Prime Minister. The Head of Cabinet is the Kings prime minister, Consul is a more prestigious and important title than is necessary, therefore we propose that the Kings primary minister, is referred to as the Prime Minister. The national motto. - Changed to "Likatonia Uber Alles" The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions. - Counties allow us to have Counts, thus allowing us to have an aristocracy, something that all states with monarchs should have and need. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Consul
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: Prime Minister
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: "A Land Of Hope And Dreams"
Current: Strength in Freedom, Unity in Diversity
Proposed: "Likatonia Uber Alles"
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: Prefecture
Current: State
Proposed: County
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:20:01, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Unless the king is allowed actual temporal power other than responsibilities as head of state, I disagree with changing the Senate to Parliament. I vehemently support Article 3 though. |
| Date | 11:39:31, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | I am in favour of the King having certain political responsibilitiesm the Royal Prerogaive, from whence the Prime Ministers powers are taken. However in return for a civil list, the King has handed the right to exercise his powers, to the Prime Minister. |
| Date | 17:21:57, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Response to CCU, and to the original CPL proposal: The AAP feels that it is immoral for our current diverse government to express a religious preference. We feel that such preference inhibits the rights of the populace to their freedom of worship, since it effectively tacitly approves a 'state religion'. Several members of the AAP have suggested, as an alternative, the patriotic (yet non-preferential) motif: "Likatonia, Likatonia: Uber Alles" |
| Date | 10:27:29, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Made changes, will bring to a vote. |
| Date | 15:45:46, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | The AAP extends their thanks to the CPL, for consideration of amendments. |
| Date | 22:31:58, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Prime minister I like over consul aestetically but no way should the king have more power. motto. The current one is a bit corny. but NO WAY am I going to agree to such an elitist and threatening new one. A hereditary aristocracy? when do you people date from? Do you have no sense of democracy? Are you so eager to enforce the class system, widen the rich/poor divide, take the power out of the hands of the people? I'll be driven to communism by the lot of you yet! No No and No from me. |
| Date | 01:49:48, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Response to the LPE: The AAP think-tank does not perceive "Likatonia Uber Alles" as threatening - merely a statement of the indisputable greatness of our beloved mother-country. Response to the Bill: The AAP is gratified at the consideration of the other parties, and feels willing, able and glad, to be able to support this reformative bill. |
| Date | 17:06:17, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | To LPE: Having an aristocracy does not necesarily lead to a widening of the rich/poor gap. (OOC: in the UK true members of the nobility are rarely rich, many are very poor, leaving in their country homes which rot away, through lack of funds). We simply aim to point out that Likatonia is a monarchy. Every single monarchy that has ever existed has had a group of people to fall back on for support, shared culture etc, except us. We need an aristocracy, simply out of realism. We feel there is nothing wrong with the motto, which is indeed more patriotic thatn the old one as it now mentions Likatonia by name. |
| Date | 19:17:18, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Response to AAP: The honourable representatives from the CPL are correct - Likatonia IS a monarchy, and this political action suggests nothing more than reflecting that fact, cosmetically. The amount of actual power, and it's distribution is unaffected- - the only difference is to make Likatonia more closely resemble a heriditary monarchy. It is a symbolic bill. It is aesthetic. It does little harm, and may unite a disparate people in a difficult time. |
| Date | 20:16:36, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | But I am not in favour of the continuation of Likatonia as a monarchy. It has little link with tradition as only in comparatively recent times was the republic changed to a kingdom. Even if the aristocracy is only symbolic it is symbolic of the wrong national attitude. It is artifically creating hereditary social heirarchy, something that we should strive to eliminate as far as possible. The aristocracy may not be rich but they are priveliged and respected, and in my opinion those who should command privelige and respect are those who deserve it rather than those who are born into it. |
| Date | 20:58:13, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Response to the LPE: While we agree with your fundamental point, we ARE a monarchy. If Likatonia loses it's royal family, we would be only too happy to agree with you. However, while Likatonia IS a monarchy, the AAP sees no reason for the nation NOT to represent itself as such. This Bill does nothing to limit the power, or increase the power, of the monarchy. It does nothing to affect the balance of power between the true leadership, and the titular leadership. The ONLY differences this bill makes, are cosmetic. |
| Date | 22:22:12, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reform Act, 2103 |
| Message | Thankyou AAp for seeing the point. All of the above Articles are merely aesthetic details and will have little or no impact on our nation. I would be more than happy to have a future referendum on the status of the monarch, LPE, and the CPL will look forward to aiding the Royalist camp. : P |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 37 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 101 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 77 |
| Random fact: Cultural Protocols should generally be reflective of RP conducted within the nation and should not significantly alter or modify the ethnic, religious or linguistic composition without considerable and reasonable role-play or other justification. |
| Random quote: "You will win, but you will not convince. You will win, because you possess more than enough brute force, but you will not convince, because to convince means to persuade. And in order to persuade you would need what you lack, reason and right in the struggle." - Miguel de Unamuno |