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Bill: Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Pluralism Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2499
Description[?]:
The recent elections have demonstrated that the Sekowan people desire freedom and democracy over tyranny and brutal, needless violence. The people are ready for an end to war, and for the healing process of unification and reconstruction. Upon, passing this bill, the Government of Sekowo will undertake the following policies of unification:
1. All partisan and non-governmental militias are hereby banned and dissolved.
2. Any resistance to the previous provision will result in the military action of the Federal Armies against such groups.
3. Federal aid will be given to regions damaged by the civil war.
4. All politicians who organized or promoted the Declaration of Intent are hereby censured. However, they may be pardoned of all wrong doing if they apologize and swear to oppose any further Declarations of Intent or actions that may provoke civil conflict. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:28:50, December 11, 2007 CET |
From |  Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | Oh, my apologies, maybe you didn't realize that your liberal bloc is a minority and completely lost the elections. We can outvote you in the legislature every time. Therefore, we control the army, and the army will easily overpower you petty militias. You're powerless. |
| Date | 02:41:36, December 11, 2007 CET |
From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | that's absurd from an RP standpoint. How small of a majority can claim to control federal troops? Why is your minority special? There's too much ambiguity. The legislature controls the nation in every respect, even the cabinet is under its control. And we control the legislature. |
| Date | 02:56:46, December 11, 2007 CET |
From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC:
What constitutes a small minority? And what if we disagree that there is a civil war?
My point is that all RP has to be based on in-game mechanisms. Those who control the game control the RP. In other words, since no one can make legitimate RP that contradicts the legislature, we have won this civil war and now control the federal armies, which are both intact and functioning. |
| Date | 06:03:44, December 11, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | Democratic Socialists: This will not necessarily bring an end to the civil war, but it will criminalize all of your militaristic actions. While the Folkstmma may not absolutely control all of the military (some units may decide to turn traitor and break chain of command), it is fully expected that the vast majority of the military will remain loyal to the Folkstmma and the people of Sekowo. |
| Date | 06:09:05, December 11, 2007 CET |
From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC:
Dude, the military are usually the last ones to join the re-unifying process.
We controlled 55% of the military, 45% when you take into account the 10% who would automatically just quit.
Even if you take out another 10% that would change sides or whatever, we still control 35% of the military atleast, plus party militias, not to mention our own military equipment.
Just because the AUP is being a baby about things does'nt mean he gets his way. |
| Date | 06:16:36, December 11, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC:
Pay attention: The Normand Pluralist Party single-handedly dominates politics in Undarro. So-called "conservative" factions dominate the Lorrod and Hikhala Districts. The Bizena District is hotly contested. The only District in which your forces dominate is Hasowar. I expect that in Bizena, and certainly in Lorrod, Hikhala, and Undarro, the military will support the actions of the Folkstmma. That would leave you with, perhaps, of Sekowo's military. |
| Date | 01:00:08, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC: The military is controlled by the Folkstmma. I'm not talking about paramilitary forces/militias, but the regular navy and air force. These are controlled by civilian governments, and the Folkstmma is still the Folkstmma regardless of what percentage of what parties it is composed of. The military is certainly not created, but it remains loyal to the GOVERNMENT (not various political parties), as it always has. |
| Date | 04:03:24, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC: a civil war is an RP event. RP requires the cooperation and consent of both sides and especially of the legislature. It turns out that the majority of the legislature would like this RP war to end, and for it to end with a conservative victory. It\'s that simple. If we were willing to let this go on and participate in the RP war, then we would have made that clear. This is the only fair and reasonable way for RP to work. Otherwise, a minority of parties could force RP upon the majority, and that makes no sense. That is, we are not being bad sports within an RP war--we are effectively removing ourselves and this nation from it altogether. |
| Date | 05:43:30, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | Imperial Pluralism Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | This is not a basketball game or anything like it. If the Legislature itself or the consensus of the parties cannot determine when the war ends, then who can? We would have an endless war with no rules. We are the majority, and, like it or not, we determine how the RP proceeds, because if we can't, then nobody can. When this bill is passed, the civil war ends. |
| Date | 07:16:27, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | The RP war may continue, but we controll the Folkstmma, and, consequently, the vast majority of the military.
It would make sense to concede that the military of Hoswar remains loyal to your faction, the military of Bizena to the Folkstmma, the military of Undarro to the Normand Pluralist Party, and the military of the other two Districts to the Sekowo People's Alliance.
That's the reality of the people's support. To quote the Communists: "Fucking deal with it." |
| Date | 07:26:09, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | Bizena is partially controlled by the APP and the UDL, so its more realistic to say Bizena's military would be split.
Anyways you have to take into consideration that the military was basically totally disbanded and either joined one of the two groups or became neutral, it would'nt change that much. |
| Date | 22:53:35, December 12, 2007 CET |
From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | OOC: It might nt be made clear, but it was suppost to happen at the start. IE as soon as the soliders heard about it. We probably had a failure to communicate in there somewhere as we were in a rush as I hadt o leave quickly as I'm in a different timezone. This also means the military would split BASED ON LAST ELECTION PERIOD. This election peroid has to do with caualties sence then. Hence, at teh start, Bisena was loyal to me, yet when I lost it, I allowed 100,000 soldiers. (not saying we don't still have stuff their, thats my main base x.x.) |
| Date | 04:39:45, December 13, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | But you didn't split until after the new election, did you? The military is loyal to the Folkstmma, not the various parties, and if the split was not declared until after the election
Anyway, the only thing which would make sense would be to have the military split along regional grounds, as I explained to the DSP via PM. |
| Date | 03:03:52, December 14, 2007 CET |
From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Declaration of Peace, Unification, and Reconstruction | | Message | Well, if you split before the election, what would likely happen is the military would be divided among regional lines pre-election, but with massive defections in areas where control has changed drastically post-elections (particularly defections towards the faction which controls the Folkstmma). |
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