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Bill: Organ donation act
Details
Submitted by[?]: trucido ignarae Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2107
Description[?]:
| This bill is intended to speed up the waiting time for organ transplants. We are directing this mostly at the very recently deceased who have no further use for their organs and are unable to give consent. Those who do not wish to be donors can easily say so, but we encourage consent by only allowing donars to recieve transplants. Non-donars cannot recieve transplants |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning organ donations.
Old value:: Organ donations are legal with personal consent.
Current: Organ donations are legal with personal consent.
Proposed: Unless otherwise stated, consent is assumed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:51:13, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Consent may be given prior to that event which lead to death. Implied consent is risky on legal and ethical grounds. |
| Date | 08:33:42, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: Personally I don't agree with "implied consent" but I understand how it would be beneficial. I'll leave it up to the other parties to convince me on which way to vote. |
| Date | 08:51:53, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: I don't agree with "Organ sharing" either. Shouldn't it be an 'Act' of some description? |
| Date | 11:02:20, August 31, 2005 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: The adding of "Act" is traditional in Baltusia but not universal. |
| Date | 14:52:11, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: It just sounds better though. "From Liberal Libertarian Party To Debating the *Organ sharing*" "From Liberal Libertarian Party To Debating the *Organ sharing Act*" And is it really organ sharing or organ donating? According to the Macquarie Dictionary AND Thesaurus, 'share' is defined as: 1. the portion or part allotted or belonging to, or contributed or owed by, and individual or group. To be technical, we're not really putting half of a deceased person's heart into someone else are we? A needy person wouldn't be getting a fraction of an organ. 'Donate', on the other hand: to present as a gift or cause. Now that's more like it. |
| Date | 15:03:58, September 01, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | ok i get the point, i'll change it when i finish this message. Now the CP has mentioned they can see how it would be beneficial and PCP argues it is unethical, so we have two strong points now it's a matter of morality vs. saving lives, does anyone else have something to add one way or another? |
| Date | 15:21:52, September 01, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Bill of Rights: "v. Everyone has the right to a free, quality and effective health system." "xviii. Everyone has the right to not be exploited." "xxiii. Everyone has the right to self determination in body." That's sorta one for, one against and one that could be either way. |
| Date | 02:24:52, September 02, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Well the people still have the choice to say they want their body buried or cremated or something, but if they don't care one way or another, they will contribute even after they are dead. Perhaps the question should be asked on a regular basis, like when they buy health insurance or whatnot. OOC:Still new in baltusia, i'm going to look at our policy on insurance after i type this... |
| Date | 05:52:13, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | I think a better option, rather than stepping across into the grey zone, is to just start a mass mailing campaign. Put our 45 million people into a list of donors and non-donors. We send the necessary forms and a reply paid envelope to the non-donors and wait for the donors to roll on in. Repeat every six or so months until a significant majority are on the donor list. |
| Date | 06:41:51, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Sounds wasteful and ineffective lets go waste some paper. but sure why not itll show we care about the subject. |
| Date | 01:46:47, September 03, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | ya that is wasteful, but might be necessary... perhaps those who say yes should get a small compensation for it, an occasional tax break or something... any ideas? |
| Date | 03:30:59, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | You should have to be a donor to be eligible to receive an organ donation. *That'll* sign people up. OOC: Its interesting that this came up. I got a letter the other day asking me to confirm my donor status, as Ive just turned 18. Judging by what they intend to take, there wont be much of me left after I die. And I really pity the person who gets stuck with my eyes or heart. But anyone who has my skin will be silky smooth though. |
| Date | 06:24:48, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Yes no tax breaks sorry TI the LLPs idea is vastly less wasteful and makes the most sence. |
| Date | 06:42:49, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Its like paying tax really. If you pay tax, you receive the benefits: quality health and education, national defence, police force, fire service, etc, etc. However, if you refurse to pay tax, you should not expect to receive these benefits (except maybe the benefits of hanging out in a tax payer funded jail cell). And so we have the "To Receive, You Must Give" plan. |
| Date | 06:46:14, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | LLP: thats unethical...coercion of the people? OOC: horray for meterosexuals |
| Date | 06:50:51, September 03, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | yes LLP is definately right, i've changed the description, shall we move it vote? OOC:there is a rather ironic google ad at the bottom of this page about organ transplants. what are the chances... |
| Date | 07:02:24, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | PCP: So's taxing them. What's your point? For the most part, the LLP is an individualist party but if the human race is to get anywhere, we have to work together, which means giving up some things (namely, money in taxes and now the organs you wont be using once you're dead) so that others may propser. And its not like you don't receive anything in return (taxes mean government services and organ donation means you get organ transplants). Its selfish to assume that you won't give up your organs but are able to access organs of someone who was willing to give up what they had no use for. (OOC: That's it - Im joining the Hosengotts. Go Nationalism!) TIP: For us to vote for it, you would have to remove the article and change the description to read "From now on non-donors dont get organs until they agree to donate" but written much more articulately. OOC: The chances of a google ad for organ transplants is actually quite high since they match keywords of this page against the ads database... |
| Date | 09:34:21, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: Google is always watching they know what we are doing they have pictures of our houses from space o.o. Theyre taking over man. |
| Date | 00:56:32, September 06, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | OOC: ya we need a bill to ban google... or form some kind of alliance... screw it i don't have time for a long pointless rant... VOTE TIME!!! |
| Date | 23:08:04, September 07, 2005 CET | From | trucido ignarae Party | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | yay, you let people die because corpses are greedy |
| Date | 06:50:55, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Organ donation act |
| Message | Look, I told you what I (and possibly the ND and PCP) would've voted for and you didnt make the change. Why be surprised when you try to violate people's rights, that the parties actually elected to protect those rights dont vote with you? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 209 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 220 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 25 |
| Random fact: Particracy has 464 player slots. |
| Random quote: "The whole uncivilized bunch on the opposite benches can get stuffed." - Craig Warwick, former Dranian politician |