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Bill: Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH
Details
Submitted by[?]: Freedom Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2104
Description[?]:
| While the Freedom Party was in disarray [OOC: At the Reading Festival] the seats in Parliament was increased from the traditional and easy to use 599 to a massive 749. This was done without our approval and underhandedly in our opinion. 749 is a massive amount of seats and we have the people represented at the moment with 1 seat for every 67,809 people. The seats number were originally changed back near the creation of the Freedom Party to make the people more represented from about 120,000 people per seat to nearer 90,000. It is our opinion that 67,809 average is way too low and leads to over-representation (it is possible) Changing the seats arrangement back to 599 seats will lead to many benefits Representation will again be around 90,000 with one seat for every 84,789 people. Instead of 375 needed for a majority and 500 for a supermajority which are not nice figures or that easy to work out We can have what it was originally 300 for a majority (we had votes that split 300 to 299 which was cool) and 400 for a supermajority Nice and easy figures that are easy to work out. 599 was the older and best figure We saw our recent election result, saw we had 160+ seats and thought that it was great, then we saw that two parties had higher results. That is silly and disappointing. Lets change it back to 599 Futhermore, we are the only nation with 749. Only one other nation has more than 700 and they have 701. [OOC: COSTS Each MP costs the taxpayer on average £175000 a year including wages in Britain. For us that would be 749 x 175,000. Which is £131,075,000. Thats over £131 million pounds for all our MPs If we cut MPs down to 599. We would cut costs down £104,825,000. Every libertarian should support this on that basis alone. (source: The Guardian (most left wing paper in Britain)) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 749
Current: 650
Proposed: 599
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:44:29, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | Against. More MPs = closer representation of the will of the people. |
| Date | 16:18:55, August 30, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | Also against. |
| Date | 17:11:18, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | We are willing to do deals to get this passed. We also find the fact that you passed this while i was away to be at best underhand, at worst despicable |
| Date | 17:17:51, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | Added costs to description |
| Date | 17:26:33, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | You cant put a price on democracy. [OOC: Wow I didnt know you cared about it that much. If I had then I wouldnt have voted for it.] |
| Date | 20:11:17, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | [Flip flopping on this issue wont affect your perception to the voters as issues like these do not affect them] |
| Date | 20:16:40, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Veritaserum | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | The cost of this government is spiralling out of control. We cannot ask the poor and very poor a like to pay for this many expense accounts. This cost is outrageous and that isn't even counting how fast the cost of all these future pensions are going to bleed this great country dry. If we keep at this level we will kill this great nation. |
| Date | 21:13:48, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | Well tbh I think that asking people to pay to maintain democracy isnt unreasonable, but out of respect for our freedom party allies we vote aye. |
| Date | 22:15:13, August 30, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | The costs of a Parliament that consists of 749 members is not that much more when compared with the costs of a Parliament that consists of 599 members. ;-) |
| Date | 22:18:23, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | I echo the LIP in their assertions but we wish to vote with our coaltion allies. |
| Date | 22:25:36, August 30, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | There is no price on democracy! |
| Date | 22:26:40, August 30, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | "[OOC: COSTS Each MP costs the taxpayer on average £175000 a year including wages in Britain. For us that would be 749 x 175,000. Which is £131,075,000. Thats over £131 million pounds for all our MPs If we cut MPs down to 599. We would cut costs down £104,825,000. Every libertarian should support this on that basis alone. (source: The Guardian (most left wing paper in Britain))" And how does this relates to our MPs? As far as I know nothing has been decided on their allowances, and seeing as each party has a small staff for all its members, the costs would not be so different. |
| Date | 22:39:31, August 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | What are you challenging then if the costs would not be so different? |
| Date | 22:42:35, August 30, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | 749 leads to a better and more accurate representation of the people's views in the Federal Parliament. |
| Date | 13:20:36, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Greens Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | indeed |
| Date | 22:59:21, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Decrease Bureaucracy!! 599 IS ENOUGH |
| Message | I find it curious that .... certain parties... were completely deaf to our arguments when the ridicilous increase was proposed, but now they quite easily flip-flop on the issue. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 542 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 167 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
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