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Bill: Ending Corporate Welfare
Details
Submitted by[?]: freedom party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2106
Description[?]:
| Currently we subsidize select industries when they face trouble. We are encouraging failure while simultaneously spending millions to help millionaires. Let the market decide what industries thrive, and what falls by the wayside. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:50:13, August 31, 2005 CET | From |  Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | We disagree. This means that people may be denied essential services like water, electricity, gas, and such for long periods of time. The government intervenes only when vital goods and services are under threat of being stopped entirely and nobody else can step into the breach (or will step into the breach) to provide them. |
| Date | 05:45:39, August 31, 2005 CET | From | New Frontier Party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | I will probably support, but i feel from time to time a bail out may be needed for the government to function |
| Date | 14:21:29, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Commercial Freedom | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | We oppose, these are the industries that provide vital goods not just any old industry. Oh and... what would be the point of losing money to get our subsidies? They can make more money through profit then through our subsidies, all our subsidies would be doing is keeping them alive. Think about it, they make 3 mill a year and we don't pay them...if they lose 3 mill we will pay them 1 mill to keep them running. Who makes more money? The person who is making 3 million dollars or the person who somehow managed to make no profits and is getting 1 million for his company. And even if they do get our subsidies, it won't be enough to make them rich men. They would have to lower wages for christ sake just to keep their business running, we fail to see your logic. |
| Date | 19:46:54, August 31, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | This is not about subsidy, it is about nationalisation and keeping the vital goods and services flowing until it can be privately run again. |
| Date | 23:29:20, August 31, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | Our point isnt the three million dollar men. Its the one million. If they are on the brink there is incentive to fail. Plus, the market will not allow this to happen. The only way a business will fail is if it is run improperly. There will always be a demand for food, water, medicine etc....thus this law is necessary. |
| Date | 10:40:36, September 01, 2005 CET | From | Commercial Freedom | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | Look, your concept of millionairs not caring about failing is the same as saying a man with an everyday job wouldn't mind quiting because of the doll. Would you quite your day job for the doll? And we agree with ESP, these are the vital goods we are talking about. If one fails it can lead us into chaos. |
| Date | 19:25:37, September 01, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | OOC: actually yes. I lost my job a few months ago, the majority of replacement jobs I could get would pay just a few dollars more than if I were off unemployment. So, its really not worth it for me to get a job. |
| Date | 21:36:50, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | We are talking about providing VITAL AND ESSENTIAL services. Not luxuries. Hence, the current system is necessary. |
| Date | 05:02:12, September 04, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | nope.....the fact that they are vital and essential will prevent that from happening. Allow free trade and commerce, and in a worst trade scenario, the goods will come from outside our borders. |
| Date | 17:50:45, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | How will it be that it prevents it from happening? See the collapse of Enron, Northern Petrol, and others... people were left without essential things for days and months whilst corporate wrangling went on. We cannot allow people to suffer so much for the sake of some businessman's quibbles! |
| Date | 01:47:47, September 06, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | With all due respect, it is our opinion that companies like Northern Petrol went under due to over involvement in the first place. And as for Enron, the reference is lost on us.....this left no one with a rash of goods shortage. |
| Date | 01:48:35, September 06, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the Ending Corporate Welfare |
| Message | corporations dont have a copy right on essential goods. If one goes under, or if they quibble, someone can step in and provide the service. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 152 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 149 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 109 |
| Random fact: Real-life religions should not be referenced in Particracy. Terra has its own religions, many of which mirror real-life ones. See: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Illustrated_Catalogue_of_Religion |
| Random quote: "I have no faith in political arithmetic." - Adam Smith |