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Bill: Women in the military
Details
Submitted by[?]: Seosavists Republican party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2105
Description[?]:
| People should be judged only on how well they proform not because of sex or any other reason. So this proposal allows women to join if they can proform at the current standard. (stanards will not be made lower) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women have no place in the military.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women serve alongside men.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:14:52, September 01, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | This is an outrage! What next after you've sent women to die and be raped on the front-line? Child soldiers? We will oppose the use of women in combat roles to the hilt, for the sake of combat effectiveness and morality. |
| Date | 03:30:58, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | If you were to adjust this bill to have women serve in segregated units, with the understanding that they would be used only in Support Arms and Services such as Signals, Logistics and Defence Medical Services then you would have my votes. |
| Date | 05:09:01, September 02, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | if they can lift a bag and carry a gun, they sould be allowed to serve. |
| Date | 05:19:36, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Nonsense! Do you have no sense of morality man?! We're talking about women here! The fairer sex, bearers of children! Plus their presence in male dominated combat units is proven to have adverse effects on combat effectiveness. Why do you think every civilised country keeps women and children away from the front-line? |
| Date | 05:20:41, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | It has always been my opinion that military service was always the one place where women were positively discriminated against, as they weren't forced into a situation where they were asked to die or kill. Is it possible to make it that they can serve in all units, including combat units, but not as frontline soldiers. If it is, I'd opt for that, if not, I'll vote yes on this. |
| Date | 05:25:31, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | The two unused options are: # Women can only serve in non-battle positions. # Women serve in segregated units. The former appears to fit the bill for what the LLP is asking for and I would also support that policy. |
| Date | 14:10:21, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Our military is small as it is, and welcoming any new troops to fight for the Fatherland would be a wonderful idea! If a person wishes to serve the glorious Luthori people, than let them, regardless of Race, Religion, Gender, etc. If they can fight, and are willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the nation, let them. They cannot be drafted(Well, at least not until we are being invaded from all sides by superior forces, then we'd need all hands on deck), and this is purely their choice. If they want to serve as a medic, then they will be able to serve as a medic. If they wish to serve as logistics, then they can serve as logistics. But if they wish to be down in the trenches, fighting the enemies of the Fatherland, then they can serve in the trenches. |
| Date | 14:28:54, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | We will only ever vote for non-battle positions or segregated units. The presence of women and homosexuals is proven to have a detrimental effect on operation effectiveness. When a heterosexual soldiers sees one of his comrades go down it just makes him more determined to defeat the enemy so that medical assistance can be given more swiftly: when someone sees his LOVER in danger (male or female) he will stop what he is doing and try to help them, abandoning his military objectives. |
| Date | 14:51:36, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | GOL : Since this is a debate on women in the military, maybe we should refer to the fatherland as the parentland. ; ) DUP : Voting against a bill based on an unlikely hypothetical requiring servicemen and/or servicewomen of the same unit dating one another is crazy. What are the chances? |
| Date | 14:54:19, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Are you serious? Believe me: I've served in mixed units and the fems are bikes! |
| Date | 15:16:08, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | I think we should speak about women with a bit of respect. |
| Date | 16:28:44, September 02, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | If they want to fight and die for their nation, why should they be denied the choice? i know plenty of women who would fight better than some of the men i know. the DUP is sexist: plain and simple. I will vote yes to this. |
| Date | 17:14:16, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Those women won't be so good at fighting when they're heavily pregnant and riddles with disease, and that's what happens when you have mixed units. We're not sexist: we believe that operational effectiveness takes precedence over political correctness. As a compromise we'd be prepared to see heterosexual women fight in segregated combat units as this would still dispel most of our practical concerns. |
| Date | 22:36:59, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | How would the women get diseases? I mean, the only way they could get an STD would be if they had sex with a man who had an STD, and those people are unfit to serve in the military due to health concerns. |
| Date | 22:48:17, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | The promiscuity brought on by the close living arrangements and sense of danger results in the spread of STIs. The male to female ratio combined with this means that each female soldier can infect scores of men. This promiscuity continues during periods of leave allowing the disease to be introduced from external sources. Another reason civilised countries remove women from the battlefield is because many of the less civilised cultures still use rape as a war fighting tactic (to breed their enemies out). |
| Date | 02:48:26, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | and your sexism is showing: not all women are whores. i go to college at a technical school. the male/female ratio is 3/1 we have one of the lowest STD rates in the nation. go figure. |
| Date | 02:54:36, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Technical School is somewhat different to the army, son. |
| Date | 03:21:28, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | no kidding. but you can't point to a guy/girl ratio and say that all the women are therefore whores and will get every type of STD imaginable. |
| Date | 03:22:08, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | and if you were my father, i would kill myself. |
| Date | 04:33:46, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Two things DUP: 1. Only heterosexual women, there is your homophobia rearing its ugly head once more. 2. Heavily pregnant? Are you saying mixed units are all sex-crazed? |
| Date | 08:01:51, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | i wonder how our troops feel about your confidence in them... you seem to think that they are nothing but undisciplined hormone crazed maniacs who will turn the barracs into an orgy at the first available moment. |
| Date | 09:26:48, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | 'Are you saying mixed units are all sex-crazed?' 'you seem to think that they are nothing but undisciplined hormone crazed maniacs who will turn the barracs into an orgy at the first available moment.' I draw the honourable members' attention to the TV programme 'Big Brother'. This is a much closer comparison to the army or navy than school (apart from all the homosexuals and transsexuals!) because of the isolation and close living arrangements, lack of personal space, etc. I'm not making this up about women in the army: I'm speaking from experience. Take a close look next time you see mixed unit; all the women will have oral herpes. |
| Date | 11:20:41, September 03, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | hahahaha! you cay that college is not a valid show that all women aren't whores, then you point to 'reality' TV to back up your statement? hahahaha! |
| Date | 03:34:33, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | Australian Big Brother is a good example as to how we can trust mixed units. There has been no sex in five seasons. |
| Date | 03:35:08, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Women in the military |
| Message | And there were men and women, gay and straight, and twice were there transexual intruders. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 311 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 150 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 139 |
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