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Bill: RPC Civil Rights Platform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolucia Partio de Koburo
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2510
Description[?]:
| "The liberty of man consists solely in this: that he obeys natural laws because he has himself recognized them as such, & not because they have been externally imposed upon him by any extrinsic will whatever, divine or human, collective or individual." Guess the quote correctly and win a grand prize! *I accidentally deleted the previous one. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the keeping of endangered animals.
Old value:: Only zoos or zoological institutions are allowed to keep endangered animals; all other forms of keeping or trading in endangered animals are forbidden.
Current: Local governments decide about this.
Proposed: Everyone may keep endangered animals, but the trade in, and the ownership of, endangered animals is strictly regulated by the government to prevent their extinction in the wild.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: The government does not involve itself in marriage or civil unions.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards smoking.
Old value:: Smoking is only allowed in private homes and clubs.
Current: Smoking regulations are to be determined by local governments.
Proposed: Smoking is legal everywhere, at the discretion of the property owner. However, service/employer property owners that allow smoking must provide a separate non-smoking section.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Travel by foreigners to the nation.
Old value:: The nation imposes minimal border controls on visitors, with cursory security checks, to confirm visitor identities.
Current: The nation imposes minimal border controls on visitors, with cursory security checks, to confirm visitor identities.
Proposed: The nation imposes no border controls on visitors.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on vaccinations.
Old value:: The government mandates vaccination for all children, but parents may opt out for religious or ideological reasons.
Current: The government mandates vaccination for all children.
Proposed: The government takes no stand on vaccinations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:17:46, December 31, 2007 CET | From |  Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Voltaire? Some Enlightenment thinker anyway.... |
| Date | 19:18:07, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Nope. Think further east. |
| Date | 19:19:38, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Article one is complete rubbish, instead of being dogmatic you should think about what effects this would have on public health and on people with atshma -Carole Farrow Minister for Health |
| Date | 19:20:28, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "Endangered animals will harm people with asthma?" - Heinz Faber |
| Date | 19:23:36, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Sorry, I meant article 4 |
| Date | 19:32:59, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | I know who said it: Confucius!....... |
| Date | 19:37:16, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | No! :P Need a hint? |
| Date | 19:37:40, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Yes! |
| Date | 19:38:47, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | 19th-century. Russian. |
| Date | 19:41:38, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Alexander.....whatshisname...... |
| Date | 19:42:34, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | No.... |
| Date | 19:42:36, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Mickail Bakunin! |
| Date | 19:43:05, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | YES! |
| Date | 19:44:39, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Whats my prize? |
| Date | 19:45:26, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | A lifetimes supply of salted peanuts. |
| Date | 19:46:15, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Hooray! (Thank God for Google!) |
| Date | 19:46:54, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | CHEAT! *Takes back salted peanuts* |
| Date | 19:52:52, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | I could say the same about some of your past election results! *Unstuffs ballot box* |
| Date | 19:53:25, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | I knew there was something fishy about this election. :P |
| Date | 19:54:51, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | No, I mean the election where you WON seats! *Burns records of elections past* |
| Date | 19:56:56, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Even by cheating, you failed to get more seats than me... Boy, you suck. |
| Date | 20:00:31, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Yar........*Hangs head in shame* |
| Date | 20:58:14, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Labour Party of Cobura | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Article 1: This is a massive violation of workers rights and civil rights of people who do not want to suffer other people's smoke! Article 2: Will cause massive health problems in the future in Cobura Article 3: Security Threat This is nothing to do with improving civil rights, infact in aon Orwellian way, it is quiet the oppisite |
| Date | 21:56:43, December 31, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | You talk a real amount of shite, you know that? |
| Date | 14:00:50, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Concerning your article about smoking; It has nothing to do with civil rights, but something to do with selfishness and is a massive attack on public health and workers health and safety, not to mention people with atsma. -Arnold Deniu |
| Date | 14:31:13, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Sorry CRP, but it IS a civil rights issue. Just because something can be harmful, it doesn't automatically disqualify it from being a 'civil rights' issue. |
| Date | 15:04:24, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | It is just plain nonsense, just because some chain smoker wants to smoke in a restaurant dosen't mean that it should be legalised, It is completely ludicrous and a dogmatic stance to take on the issue. You are endagering the public health of Coburans. -Carole Farrow |
| Date | 15:07:25, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "You do realise that we wouldn't have chain smokers and all that if huge corporations hadn't pushed that stuff onto society?" |
| Date | 15:07:44, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "You are putting your ideology before the health of the Coburan people" -Arnold Deniu |
| Date | 15:08:34, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "Yes, I do realise this but that is completely irrelevant to the argument" |
| Date | 15:12:40, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "First of all, there will be non-smoking areas mandated, meaning that your health won't be affected." (ooc: as a side note, did you know that since banning smoking on flights DVT has only recently become an issue. It's because before they had to provide better air quality, and now the airlines don't want to bare the extra costs as smoking is banned and they don't see the need.) |
| Date | 15:17:11, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "You really don't understand second hand smoke do you, pluse people will have to breate in the air from the smoking section so yes it will affect public health and it will affect the public health of the staff of the building, didn't you think about them?" |
| Date | 15:19:29, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "Provided ventilation is adequate, I fail to see your point." |
| Date | 15:22:41, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "I am saying that people will still have to breate this in and seeing as the ban on outdoors smoking will also be lifted they will have to breate that in too. And what about the bar and resturant staff who will have to breate this in? The vast majority of Coburans don't smoke, you shouldn't make them suffer at the hands of the people who do." |
| Date | 15:24:43, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "Ventilation won't even be an issue outdoors...you'll be outdoors....in the fresh air." (ooc: no god-modding) |
| Date | 15:26:42, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "You didn't answer m question about bar staff, they don't want to breate in that rubbish all day" |
| Date | 15:32:34, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "And the bar staff who smoke?" |
| Date | 15:34:57, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "That shouldn't mean that the ones who don't should suffer" |
| Date | 15:36:50, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "And yet you would be happy to see smokers suffer?" |
| Date | 15:40:14, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "No, I would not be happy to see anyone suffer at the hands of second hand smoke" |
| Date | 15:41:51, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "But you continue to treat smokers like lepers?" |
| Date | 15:45:16, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "I continue to treat the SMOKE not the smokers as dangerous" |
| Date | 15:51:43, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | I don't why, but that made me laugh. |
| Date | 16:37:54, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Reform Party of Cobura | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | why do you continue on these poison bills? unsatisfied with the result and want to achieve a good results by ruining our positions??? |
| Date | 16:59:06, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | How is this a poison bill? No one voiced their opposition or support... If I wanted to cheat a good result I'd just make 49 different bills. |
| Date | 17:24:54, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Labour Party of Cobura | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Tis is a poison bill as it is questionable if some of these are to do with civil rights, and even if they are, if they promote or take away the civil rights of people,. the smoking on is a good example of this (IE, it takes away the rights of non-smokers) |
| Date | 17:28:27, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | Stop being dense. I mean, honestly, if you can't see how a smoking ban is an assault on civil liberties then I really don't know what to say to you. |
| Date | 17:33:01, January 01, 2008 CET | From | Coburan Reform Party | To | Debating the RPC Civil Rights Platform |
| Message | "It is upholding the rights of non-smokers as DLP said" |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 144 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 276 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 80 |
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