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Bill: All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anarchistes pour une Société Libre
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2514
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet consisting of the five Leftist parties in Jelbania. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the 
Anarchistes pour une Société Libre
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Démocrates de la Gauche
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Lib-Gov Party-part of W.A-S.U
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Parti Marxiste des Travailleurs
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Parti Marxiste des Travailleurs
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Lib-Gov Party-part of W.A-S.U
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Démocrates de la Gauche
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Anarchistes pour une Société Libre
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Parti Marxiste des Travailleurs
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Lib-Gov Party-part of W.A-S.U
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Anarchistes pour une Société Libre
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:59:23, January 04, 2008 CET | From | Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | We would prefer a clear answer to our questions, before our support. We would support a cabinet with the PBN only if our conditions will be accepted. 1. Absolute and clear damnation of all the violent extremists of the PBN with consequent official expulsion from the party. 2.Dissolution of every armed organization or illegal formation linked with the PBN 3. Solemn and public promise of non-violence, freedom of speech for the rivals and respect for the actual system of democracy ( if you desire a change, this goal can be reached with popular consensus and not with weapons) 4. The acceptation of the High Treason act This is the minimum for a cabinet party. Finally we would prefer another party at the head of government, as guarantor of peace and freedom...if the PBN will respect these few condition we'll support their candidature for HoG with pleasure in the future. We ask an evidence of good faith from the PBN. |
| Date | 23:52:43, January 04, 2008 CET | From | Anarchistes pour une Société Libre | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | 1. This has already been done, please read our paper and statements more carefully. 2. Absolutely not. We protect our own. And expect others to do likewise. 3. We are Marxists, that is my answer. 4. The High Treason Act is a repressive and unconstitutional document, and is not recognized as law. |
| Date | 01:19:52, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | Clearly, PBN is an extremist party, unwilling to compromise with a good-natured party like the Socialists. The dream of an all leftist cabinet is dead. |
| Date | 02:29:11, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Démocrates de la Gauche | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | It sounds like you are trying to suck up to the SJP there a little bit. Now you want cooperation with everyone else except the right I presume? And how do you know? |
| Date | 09:43:58, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | The problem is not the UCC. we can't form an alliance with a party that organize illegal formations and refuse peace and freedom of speech. The PBN is a marxist party? Well, we know many examples of important marxist parties ( like the PCI , the PCF , the PCE ) that accepted the democratic system , and we keep in great esteem their example. However we can't cooperate with a violent party and a wrong idea of marxism, a cabinet party should trust in the state, a cabinet party that refuse the current laws and the simple idea of freedom in his own country is simply a nonsense. We have explained our conditions , the PBN have done the rest, not the UCC. Currently, we don't support this cabinet proposal. |
| Date | 20:16:17, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | Friends don't have to "suck up" to each other. |
| Date | 22:59:19, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Anarchistes pour une Société Libre | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | Clearly, the Socialists do not understand what a Marxist is. A Marxist, being a type of Socialist, is for the armed uprising of the working class to bring about an equal society. A Reformist, also being a type of Socialist, is for the gradual transformation of society into socialism through democratic means. The SJP is clearly a Reformist Party, and the PBN is clearly a Marxist and revolutionary Party. Any Party that does not endorse revolution is not Marxist, this is simple and indisputable fact. |
| Date | 23:19:46, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Socialist Jelbanian Party-D.L.J.-D.L.F | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | Unfortunately you are wrong. The european communists were all marxists and surely not reformists. The PCI and PCF surely were not "socialist" parties but pure communists, the best form of communism, euro-communism. However, if you want only an armed revolution , don't try to achieve power by cabinet proposals...it's surely too much bourgeois for you. |
| Date | 01:36:00, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Démocrates de la Gauche | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | What they are trying to say PBN is that it is very possible to be competely communist and peaceful at the same time. We would be the first to support a strong coalition with your party if you abandon your extreme hardline communistic, (and in my opinion) stalinist ideology. |
| Date | 23:14:34, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Anarchistes pour une Société Libre | To | Debating the All-Leftist Cabinet Proposal of February 2511 |
| Message | We are Marxist-Leninist Anti-Revisionist, therefore we support Mao and Stalin, as they were true Marxist-Leninists. Apparently, the SJP has not read enough theory, and does not fully understand the terms they use. A "communist" is simply someone who wishes to achieve a society where the workers control the means of production, and where everyone works as much as they can, and receives everything they need. That being said, both Marxists and Reformists are communists. That is, they both have the same goal in mind. They do, however, differ in the method in which they propose to move forwards into a fair and equal society. I think my esteemed colleague from the SJP has some rather confused ideas on what a socialist is, and what a communist is. If I may recommend some reading material to further your knowledge of our movement, "Anarchism or Socialism?" by Comrade Stalin is a great place to start. Perhaps then we can talk about the differences in our two parties. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 177 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 275 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 49 |
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