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Bill: Electoral reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Moderate Party of Ikradon
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2513
Description[?]:
| If one sort of regions should be over-represented, it must be the smaller ones. There is no legitimate reason to protect a majority, but a respectful democracy should protect it's minorities. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The method used to determine the number of seats each region receives in the national legislature.
Old value:: A proportional algorithm that gives a very small advantage to larger regions.
Current: A pseudo-proportional algorithm that gives considerable advantage to smaller regions.
Proposed: A pseudo-proportional algorithm that gives considerable advantage to smaller regions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:40:45, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Iqembu Sokusebenzisana Yeningi | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | One large issue with this is that, in today's society, minorities are unlikely to congregate in a single region. That said, we are willing to listen to arguments. |
| Date | 19:52:07, January 05, 2008 CET | From | Centre | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | What about minorities? We believe that this constant special attention some advocate for minorities is sickening. Every person should have a fair chance at prosperity, but should not be given it at the expense of others. Too often we look at the results of a failing system and try to solve them without tracing them back to their root cause. Take for instance minority scholarships. Failing minority majority schools and inadequate health/social programs in their region cause falling standards, but instead of solving them we just slap so polish on the system and pretend it works. In the case of voting methodology, areas with larger populations and increased size tend to use a great deal more funds for infrastructure and services. Since our job is to allot that money it makes sense that they get a larger representation. We should not let our compassion for exploited masses make us lose sight of our essential function. |
| Date | 01:19:16, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Moderate Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | @ Spectrum: I doubt that minorities are unlinkely to congregate in a single region. There's no evidence for the falseness of my propostition. Moreover, the election results show a huge variation over Ikradon's regions. What else could explain this than a differing popular composition (there aren't any "regional" political topics)? @ Centre: with all respect, but I think there is no reason to discuss the issue itself with you, since your basic assumption ("this constant special attention some advocate for minorities is sickening") differs to much to my way of thinking. |
| Date | 01:46:37, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Unity Of Peoples Party | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | Centre makes some really good points, and we agree with them. SP/E/CT/RUM also makes a lot of sense. That said we support the current legislation. |
| Date | 23:22:14, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Centre | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | Also this assumes that being from a smaller region makes you a minority. What about the where the provincial boundaries of our nation are drawn indicate that we are segregated. There seems to be no legislation on the books that keeps people from circulating throughout our regions as they wish. There seems to be no methodology in place the groups only the poorest or ethnically underrepresented together. The government is here to finance and manage what cannot be managed by other means. If you want to get minority representation increased in the legislature, you need to start community organizing. Interest groups focused on minority concerns can collectively act and cause electoral change. Centre is all for change and equity, but neither can be forced on people from above. Everyone will have to make those choices on their own and promote them throughout their community. That is why the freedom of expression is so sacred to Centre- it is our only hope of TRUE social equity. |
| Date | 23:28:19, January 06, 2008 CET | From | Centre | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | MPI: "What else could explain this than a differing popular composition?" Have you ever meet two people that agree 100% on anything? We sure haven't. That means that different political trends effect people differently based on their experiences. Those experiences do not necessarily make them a minority though. Perhaps that term has been used to freely here. Minority implies a group that has some cultural or ethnic commonality that separates them from the majority. Just because one person advocates small government and another is for a welfare state does not indicate anything other than they have differing opinions. |
| Date | 09:48:26, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Moderate Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | You're oversimplifying (I never reduced opinion to reagional background, you do reduce it to experience, and nothing else). And if you use the concept "minority", please use a correct sociological definition for it. |
| Date | 16:26:45, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Boston Tea Party | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | I don't see where the implied correlation between relative provincial population and minority population comes from. A smaller population in one province does not necessarily suggest that the population of any or all cultural or ethnic minority groups would be any more or less represented. Now that I've said that, I do not believe it makes sense to give MORE representation in the National Congress to a province with LESS people. Having the number of seats be proportional to provincial population is the only fair method that our Constitution (and the mecahnics of the game) allows. |
| Date | 19:42:31, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Moderate Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | That is not what this proposal states: proportionality remains. The differences only become smaller. |
| Date | 22:04:34, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Iqembu Sokusebenzisana Yeningi | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | At the present time, we are going to vote against as the case has not been made for this legislation. However, we will consider it in the future if reintroduced and a better argument made. |
| Date | 06:13:54, January 09, 2008 CET | From | National Socialist Labor Party | To | Debating the Electoral reform |
| Message | We vote YES. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 573 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 26 |
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