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Bill: Capital Punishment Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2516
Description[?]:
| TBD |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:05:53, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Support |
| Date | 05:13:35, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | We cannot go around putting people to death, for any reason. The state has a responsibility to uphold human rights, and the right to life is one that is inviolable. What if a person is wrongly convicted of such a crime? This innocent person will be entirely unjustly put to death. We cannot allow that. |
| Date | 05:21:22, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Innocent babies are likely put to death daily in this country. |
| Date | 05:36:13, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | A right to life huh JUP? Does that mean you support a ban on all abortions? |
| Date | 13:33:58, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Babies are not put to death. Embryos are terminated. Embryos are not alive, they are not human, they are growths within the mother. |
| Date | 13:57:22, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | You said and I quote "and the right to life is one that is inviolable" |
| Date | 20:45:29, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Monacelli Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | we support. another random display of conservativism :T Such heinous acts should not be tolerated, nor the offender allowed to waste tax dollars in prisons or even recieve parole. |
| Date | 21:06:49, January 07, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Actually, studies have found it is more expensive to try to put a person to death than it is to keep them in jail for life. The right to life is an inviolable human right. Embryos are not human, and are not alive - they cannot have that right. In any case, abortion isn't even an issue here. This is about putting human beings, who may or may not have committed grossly offensive act, to death. |
| Date | 00:35:01, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | "The right to life is an inviolable human right." Right. In other words, you are a hypocrit. |
| Date | 01:42:34, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Not at all. Show us the hypocrisy. |
| Date | 02:16:28, January 08, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | oppose the current law brought out of the "eye for an eye" stone age why go backwards? |
| Date | 02:43:22, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | The government is not a business. If it was a point of saving money, why the hell do we give out all of the subsidies and other crap? I'm saying be consistent with your positions, don't try and throw up money as an excuse. And I've told you already on the embryo issue, you are exploiting time. You talk as if those fetuses will not eventually turn into what you 'consider' human life. |
| Date | 03:03:04, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | We raised the money point because the Monacelli Party mentioned about prisoners wasting taxpayer's money in prison. Should we also ban contraception, since it also prevents life from forming? Because that's all aborting an embryo is - preventing life from forming. This bill concerns life that very much currently exists. Why do capital punishment acts always turn to abortion? |
| Date | 03:11:07, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Because you'd rather save the lives of terrorists and murderers than innocent babies who haven't even had a chance to live yet. Who knows if they will be the next Tribal Chancellor or be the next great party leader? |
| Date | 05:41:31, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Monacelli Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Validly expressed Graenix! JUP, i find it extremely hard to believe, though i will accept factual evidence, that putting a criminal to death, not "trying" but actually performing the action, would cost MORE than supporting their incarcerated asses for the rest of their operable lives behind concrete and barbed wire. Life supporting amenities and personnel salaries included. Money aside. The life issue is still a maintainable matter. Aborting fetuses on the premise of them not exhibiting life signs is like throwing away parts of food that you consider not edible. There are things we have yet to discover....life signs are seen at earlier and earlier periods. It is the decision of the mother whether to take the matter of fetal "murder" into her own hands. It is the decision of the state however to rid its people of a once-proven, potentially re-occuring threat to their safety and wellbeing. |
| Date | 06:00:44, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | OOC of course, but http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/deathpenalty.htm is the first unbiased one that came up from google. The problem is you cannot prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person being put to death is not innocent. There is a risk, and this can be substantiated by studies, that in countries with the death penalty, it is not unheard of for a person to be found not guilty after they have been put to death. Why would we even want to risk that possibility, for a vindictive act of state sponsored murder? |
| Date | 20:09:23, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Monacelli Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | OOC? and those numbers are informative. I appreciate the civil presentation in argument. |
| Date | 21:26:21, January 08, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | OOC = out of character, something that is said apart from the game. |
| Date | 19:31:58, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | Well does that mean we shouldn't put people in jail then? Are you also saying our whole justice system is a waste of time? How can we prove that people incarcerated for 15 years aren't innocent? Of course if they are, they can be let out of jail but they will never get those years back. |
| Date | 23:28:16, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | We can compensate them if they have been wrongly incarcerated. While it not ieal, it is something. If they have been killed by the state, we can do no such thing. |
| Date | 23:47:44, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Act |
| Message | The death penatly is a barbaric custom, we should not allow it |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 191 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 267 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 41 |
| Random fact: Culturally Open nations can adopt advisory/non-enforceable Nation Descriptions. See http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6242 |
| Random quote: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Howard Zinn |