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Bill: Libertarian defense
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Radical Libertarian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2514
Description[?]:
| The more doctrinaire elements of the party have insisted that we need to put this back in process to see if the current state of affairs have made these proposals any more acceptable. It is inherent in the policy of Libertarianism that citizens have the right to defend themselves from enemies, foreign and domestic. This bill gives them the means to do so. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: Local governments may set and enforce concealed carry laws.
Current: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Proposed: Any legal weapon may be concealed when carried.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Individuals are not permitted to own firearms under any circumstances.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Current: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Proposed: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:09:17, January 09, 2008 CET | From | PFL Irish Party | To | Debating the Libertarian defense |
| Message | No, guns kill. That thing about a history of mental illness does not help. Just because someone has not been mentally ill before doesn't mean that they can't become mentally ill after they have purchased a gun. |
| Date | 16:21:25, January 09, 2008 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Libertarian defense |
| Message | No; people kill, sometimes using a gun. People have been killing since Caine and Able, guns have been around for the last 500 years. |
| Date | 17:10:54, January 09, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Libertarian defense |
| Message | Guns were designed to kill. They make killing an awful lot easier. |
| Date | 17:36:37, January 10, 2008 CET | From | PFL Irish Party | To | Debating the Libertarian defense |
| Message | People kill yes, but guns are the tools that they use. Take away the tools and they are going to find it an awful lot difficult. You really think someone could massacare 10 + people with ease in a public shopping centre with a knife? I don't think so. |
| Date | 18:48:19, January 10, 2008 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Libertarian defense |
| Message | You think that the sort of individual that would "massacare 10 + people with ease in a public shopping centre" would b e bothered about the legality of their weapon? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 348 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 148 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago." - George Porter |