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Bill: Torture (Means and Ends) Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anti Egalitarian Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2516
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:46:02, January 11, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | What kind of emergencies would they be? |
| Date | 12:12:28, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | No. This is the thin end of a very nasty wedge. |
| Date | 10:57:20, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | This is ridiculous. We must never degrade to that. |
| Date | 22:48:47, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Anti Egalitarian Alliance | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | "What kind of emergencies would they be?" Suspected terror attacks essentially. "No. This is the thin end of a very nasty wedge." You can tell that to the victims of the next terror attack we as a nation suffer from. |
| Date | 09:43:24, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | How many terror attacks do we suffer from? It's been pretty quiet since your man Lucas left the scene.... |
| Date | 12:11:45, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawa Business Association | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | The only terror attacks that occur in this country are the ones associated with the criminal militant wings of the Lucasite Marxists. While we would take a certain pleasure in seeing those miscreants tortured, it is alas the beginning of a slippery slope that we do not wish to begin sliding down. |
| Date | 20:20:23, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Torture (Means and Ends) Act |
| Message | I would just like to clarify that my question was just for clarification. I am against torture in all forms even in cases of national importance. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 175 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 542 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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