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Bill: Amended Disaster Plans Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative and Environmentalist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2516
Description[?]:
| We feel the Social Liberal Parties plans for natural disasters need to be debated properly. The popular front were fundamentally opposed to this and I would like to understand why. The Military would be drafted in to help the police and other emergency services in time of Natural disaster only. They can help to distribute aid and help clear up the mess left behind. They cannot arrest citizens, but can detain until the police arrive. They cannot use force and are not permitted to carry weapons unless issued by the police. This could help to distribute aid to those who need it most in a time of natural emergency for our country. I do not see this as giving more power to the military but being given the option of drafting them in to help when our people need us. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:09:32, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | I just noticed that every citizen has to serve in the military when they leave school. This may prevent them from joining the police if they chose to do so thus limiting their effectiveness in time of a natural disaster. |
| Date | 01:12:45, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | I have also just looked at the countrys political views...and over 50% of the population are Militarist, so i doubt they would object to military intervention in time of natural disaster.. |
| Date | 05:42:49, January 12, 2008 CET | From | An Páirtí Daoine Ceilteach | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | We feel that this is a sensible move, and we were disappointed by the arrogant, blunt refusal of the GDP to even negotiate it. Hopefully the K/DPF will be more amenable to compromise. |
| Date | 12:14:29, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | Nope. We feel exactly the same way as we did before the rebranding. The military should have no part in policing. Ever. |
| Date | 16:02:20, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | So you would rather people starved to death because the police can't aid to them rather than let the military help....thats shameful to be honest |
| Date | 21:14:10, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | Stop being ridiculous. We would not oppose the military taking part in rescue operations or in disaster relief. However, we would oppose them taking on policing roles within Kirlawa. Seeing as the nation has undergone a fascist coup which had support from elements of the military, we are a little sensitive about giving the military any power over people. As for the first point, there is no bar on ex-military personnel joining the police or other services after they have left, whether having served as a result of National Service (which can be civilian, and so NOT in the military) or as a volunteer. We repeat - The military can assist in emergencies. |
| Date | 22:42:30, January 12, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | I think the boundaries are perfectly clear. This would not give the military powers over the people. The motion clearly states that the military can help in serious emergencies, if there was to be a coup this bill would make no difference as you so rightly said the military would be part of it. There is no legislation to say the military can assist in emergencies. This would just make that legal. |
| Date | 01:33:48, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | The military already CAN help in serious emergencies. Just as there's no legislation to say that they can, there is none to say that they can't. We can easily pass a Senate Bill to clarify the situation, but as far as we can see, there's no reason to stop the military helping out in disasters. As long as they don't get involved in policing. In fact, this Bill won't 'legalise' the military helping out in disasters in any other way than to assist the police. It won't legalise famine relief, flood defence work, or anything of the sort. If you need a law to be passed to enable the army to assist in emergencies in a general fashion, this Bill is not the way to do it. |
| Date | 10:46:50, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Gluaiseacht ShaorĂ¡il DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | The DFM believes that this proposal is reasonable. In times of need the public expects that the authorities do everything possible to solve all occurring problems swiftly. That's their job, it's ours to facilitate them well. |
| Date | 13:24:03, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Conservative and Environmentalist Party | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | Well I can understand why your skeptical KDPF but i believe you over reacting. This bill is the only way to do it. I look at the options after your initial objection and there is nothing under any heading that would allow that stance to be legalised as far as i could see. The military coup was over 200 years ago. Surely its time to condem that to history rather than keeping it at the forefront of your descision making process regarding defense. |
| Date | 21:47:08, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | The military coup may have been 200 years ago, but the followers of the man who launched it are the largest party in Kirlawa. They certainly haven't condemned it to history - they want to bring back a fascist state. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" CEP - A Senate Bill is one which does not contain proposals as listed on the system, and is put through the Senate (a separate body to the Assembly). If you look at the Kirlawa Chronical pages and the wiki, you'll find a bit more about it. |
| Date | 22:54:01, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Anti Egalitarian Alliance | To | Debating the Amended Disaster Plans Act |
| Message | We support. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 543 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 174 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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