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Bill: War (2515-2520)
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2521
Description[?]:
| It is our sad duty to inform the legislature that the Dranian Imperium has taken measures that constitute an act of war against/on Sekowo. They have passed legislation to expand there empire to the South, not only infringing upon the sovereign territory of Talmoria, but also on Lourennian colonies, but most importantly they have already decided to invade the territory we already control as well as the territory that we are set to begin control of. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Sekowan hereby acknowledges that Dranland has taken actions that constitute an act of war towards the Sekowan Federation and hereby formally acknowledges that a state of war exists between Sekowo and Dranland. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ As we are not going to war (yet), we feel that this should be archived. With the passing of this bill the legislature shall archive this event and discussion. The passing of this bill shall not in anyway constitute going to war with Dranland at the present time. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:38:54, January 13, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | The legislation detailing this. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=168415 |
| Date | 21:03:08, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | We believe the DSP's policy of imperialism is responsible for this and wish to see a peaceful resolution to this matter. |
| Date | 23:17:15, January 13, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | 1, its too late now. 2, or imperialism is in responce to theirs so.... |
| Date | 02:15:49, January 14, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | We have no policy of imperialism, if we did Sekowo would control all of Southern Dovani. Further more there is no 'peaceful resolution', Dranland is not a peaceful nation, and is threatening not only Sekowan territory, but the territory of one of our closest allies. |
| Date | 02:45:32, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | It's time to man up! Let's go kill ourselves some dranians! Er..we mean, the PUA regrets the nessesity of war, but is dedicated to winning it, and ensuring the survival of the great nation of Sekowo. |
| Date | 03:32:13, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Society for Feudalist Monarchy | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Good people of Sekowo, We think that there are much preferable alternatives to war, and that such a rash action might result in untold cataclysm for both of our nations. The core cause of this current crisis is competition for colonial land and an imperialism of which we are both guilty. We in Dranland feared that Sekowo might sweep south and claim a disproportionate area of untouched territory. However, shortly after these fears were expressed in legislation, Sekowo produced promises to cease southward expansion. Clearly, we both have the same interests, and war would be futile. It would seem most prudent if both of our nations were to solidify our current colonial claims by treaty and promise to cease further expansion until it is mutually agreeable to do so. In fact, a Sekowan-Dranian colonial alliance could serve both parties and bring an age of prosperity to our colonial holdings. Please consider these alternatives before declaring war. Or, at the very least, allow negotiations. Lycurgus, Minister of Defense of Dranland |
| Date | 05:37:31, January 14, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | In light of this we hereby revoke our support for the time being. |
| Date | 06:18:57, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | While we praise the AP for their message, we wonder if they represent all of Dranland. We would hate to strike a deal with them only to have the other pro war partys knife us in the back. |
| Date | 07:24:40, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Society for Feudalist Monarchy | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | A legitimate concern. There are two pro-war parties in Dranland, and they constitute a small minority. The rest are more than willing to hold talks. We'll create a diplomacy bill to prove our nation's devotion to peace. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=168918 But please, don't let this bill sit here with a majority in favor for too long... |
| Date | 08:16:46, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Lourenne Democratic Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | On the advice of others, I, John Danzelman, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Chairman of the Protected Zone Agency have allowed Dranland to occupy a small part of the Eastern Protected Zone. However, I acted without the backing of Lourenne's Senate and I consequently state that it no longer has our endorsement. Sekowo have been a firm friend to Lourenne for many decades. A friendship we would not like to see go to waste. |
| Date | 19:39:06, January 14, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | USMC, DSP, PUA. You were all wrong and peace does have a chance. The FDP proves why it is such a success with the electorate, talking common sense, decency, and peace. |
| Date | 03:38:02, January 15, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | We were basing our descision on faulty intelligence (supplies by another party, however we are no so rude and inexperienced as you, so we shall not embarras them). We reccomend you control your temper. |
| Date | 03:42:00, January 15, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Dranland was about to go to war with us when we created this legislation. It was not until after that that they proposed peace. |
| Date | 23:47:55, January 15, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | And we suggested looking for a peaceful resolution rather than say war is inevitable, it took Dranland to offer a peaceful settlement when we should of been also looking for a peaceful resolution. We never demonstrated any loss of control of temper USMC. |
| Date | 00:44:39, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Well you sure do a good job of making it look like you do, though perhaps temper is not the correct word, arrogance perhaps? |
| Date | 17:12:19, January 16, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | We should also mention that several Dranish parties still ant to go to war with us. |
| Date | 19:42:19, January 16, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Currently the pro-war parties in Dranland are trying to use nuclear weapons against us, as well. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=169527 |
| Date | 22:56:34, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Preemptive strike now! |
| Date | 23:17:27, January 16, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Our missile defence shield will be able to stop any missile attack from them. We don't beleive in pre-emptive strikes, if/when they launch at us, we'll fight back. |
| Date | 00:59:24, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Fascist Zealotry League | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Since when did calling for a preemptive strike make you a "Moderate Coalition", USMC? We laugh in your face and DARE you to launch! Let us dance together in the fiery winds of Dovani! Bob Mugabe, Foreign Mnister Dranian Imperium. |
| Date | 01:03:30, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | OOC: It was mainly a joke :p, I guess people don't know me well enough to know that, but I guess if foreing people are going to be in here, the fun is over x.x |
| Date | 04:02:03, January 23, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Little bit of a typo in the description? Shall NOT in any way, right? |
| Date | 04:27:07, January 23, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the War (2515-2520) |
| Message | Yes, I was in the middle of writing two different sentences, got messed up. I'll fix it after the elections in a half hour or so. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 734 | |||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 16 |
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