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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2108
Description[?]:
| The AAP would like to table a motion to allow unlimited trading in CONVENTIONAL weapons. We do not believe that Likatonia should be selling nuclear, chemical, or biological technology, but see no reason why Likatonian citizens should not be allowed to freely trade with legitimate suppliers in other countries. At the moment - our national government has an entire department dedicated to sifting through individual requests for handguns, ammunition, and gun supplies. The AAP sees no reason why permitted traders shouldn't be able to self-govern their trade with other permitted traders overseas. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:30:54, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Because we don't want to sell arms to crooks in other countries who are going to use them for crime and/or subversion. Arms sales should be regulated as closely as possible, in my opinion. However, I think that on the topic of arms the AAP and LPE are unlikely to agree, AAP being a member of the World Nuclear League and LPE being a member of the International WMD Abolition Movement! |
| Date | 19:44:49, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Against the proposed bill because it means we won't be able to stop companies selling weapons to nations that are either hostile to us, or have a poor human rights record. |
| Date | 21:12:57, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Response to the LPE: The AAP is pro-weaponry. We are members of the World Nuclear League because we believe each sovereign nation should be able to retain the right to whatever forms of defense they feel are needed. If you re-read my proposal langauge, you'll see that the AAP wants to promote LEGITIMATE trade in conventional weapons. That should mainly be trade between permitted traders, and sales to foreign governments. After all, those foreign traders are buying arms anyway - just not from OUR industry. |
| Date | 21:16:24, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Response to the CPL: No - we wouldn't be able to regulate the flow of arms to hostile nations, but traders are still accountable. If a trader sells rocket-weaponry to the Keymon Militant force... we can track it. Tracking the shipment of weaponry is actually better than preventing it. We don't KNOW where organisations are getting their weapons, when they buy them from foreign powers... and we don't know where those weapons go to. Whereas, if we require our gun companies to mark all weaponry - we can track it through the trading, if we wish. And, if those weapons turn up in the hands of enemy forces on our territory.... we have a paper-trail of the links from supplier TO that organisation. |
| Date | 21:32:59, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Huh? We cannot see how supplying guns freely to any foreign power is in our best interests, whether or not we can folow a 'paper trail'. It would be a grave crime if one of our servicemen/women were to be killed by a weapon or piece of ammunition that had been manufactured in Likatonia, by a Likatonian company. |
| Date | 21:38:38, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Response to CPL: The CPL will, of course, admit that there is ALWAYS a risk of our servicemen/women being hurt by hostile powers, yes? Ultimately, does it MATTER where that killing weapon was made? Does Likatonia vouch for every shell fired fro it's weaponry? But - assume that our serviceman/woman is hurt. If OUR weapons are the dominant weapons, we can track the specific characteristics of the weapon (either from the makers mark, of forensic evidence) that scored the kill. We can then track which organisations (within our nation, and without) are sponsoring/handling/dealing those weapons. If a terrorist group attacks with Likatonian machine-guns... we can track which government they bought them from, because we know 'our own', |
| Date | 21:58:18, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Huh? So we should supply terrorists and foreign powers with our weapons, hoping that they kill some Likatonians, so we can trace the companies that have sold the said terrorists/foeigners the weapons, as they will be legally allowed to if this bill is passed. And it does matter where the killing weapon was made. Likatonians should not be supplying weapons to powers that may use them against Likatonians. Our arms manufacturers should only be able to sell weapons to our Armed Forces and those of our allies. This is another matter where the free market should not be given a free hand. |
| Date | 22:18:10, September 04, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Response to the CPL: No - we do not wish our constituents dead, by any hands. However, if they ARE killed by weapons we manufactured (they would have been killed by SOMEONE'S weapons, anyway), we can at least find out HOW our enemies were supplied. We gain a great Military Intelligence advantage. Why should Likatonian coffers not profit from an arms race that is running without us? |
| Date | 10:28:10, September 05, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | They will profit from an arms race, but the government has to moniter arms sales in order to make sure the weapons are not falling into the hands of our enemies or regimes with poor human rights records. The AAP is currently proposing to increase the humanitarian aid we give to developing nations. Would it also be easier to help these regimes by preventing the selling of weapons to the oppressors of these regimes? |
| Date | 14:52:40, September 06, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | A bullet has no conscience, no morality, and no nationality. We of the RLP fully support this measure, as it removes unwarrented government interference in legitimate business dealings. |
| Date | 20:41:13, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Response to the CPL - there is no dichotomy between provision of arms and provision of humanitarian aid. The AAP believes we OWE it to our world-neighbours to help them out, when they are in trouble. However, the AAP ALSO believes that the government has no real right to sit on a market, and inhibit free-trade of goods that ARE AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE. If Keymon traders want our guns, why should we not fill that market? If we don't someone else will. At least we Likatonians know that WE would use the profits for humanitarian good. |
| Date | 20:41:44, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Arms Sales |
| Message | Motion to move this to the voting floor. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 70 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 90 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 47 |
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