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Bill: On Civil Rights
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Pour Un Movement Populaire
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2517
Description[?]:
| It is unfair that we force people to work because they provide necessary services, the fact that they do provide absolutely necessary services should be a hint that we need to ensure that strikes do not happen. Therefore, we must allow all people to strike. It is absolutely ridiculous that trade unions may move to force all of their people to strike without a majority. Therefore, we need to require a majority of all members, regardless of whether or not they vote. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The workers' right to strike.
Old value:: All workers have the right to strike but certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society have to ensure a minimal service.
Current: All workers have the right to strike.
Proposed: All workers have the right to strike.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Trade union strike ballots.
Old value:: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, majority approval of those that vote is needed from its members.
Current: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, majority approval of those that vote is needed from its members.
Proposed: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, a majority of all members, regardless of if they vote or not must approve the strike action.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:08:09, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | The people should not be put at risk or harm due to the firefighters having a tuffle with the local government. Firefighters, EMTs and other essential groups NEED to provide at least the bare minimum service. Aparments fires and heartattacks do not stop because the firefighters and EMTs are walking the lines. This seems not only reasonable but also logical. We simply cannot support Article 2. |
| Date | 06:52:10, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | Yes but, apparently, Article 1 seems to make it harder for a union to go on strike to begin with. |
| Date | 11:19:50, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | This bill is an attack on the rights of all Kanjorans. It restricts the rights of workers to seek better working conditions and puts the rest of the community at risk. It is instructive that (so far) only the DPUF and the PPK are standing solidly for the welfare of the people whilst the others put their dangerous and anti-human ideologies before the welfare of people. We quote the PPP "And of course we can be protected by ideology. It's the only thing that can save us", but what will save us from ideology? |
| Date | 21:31:41, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | EMTS Firefighters and other people don't strike. It's always those damn subway operators, who right when you're vacationing in the city. .. decide to strike. |
| Date | 22:25:42, January 16, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | Yes MPs, and they should be made to provide some services don't you think? So it is odd and contradictory that you voted "Yes" on it. |
| Date | 01:03:00, January 17, 2008 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | You're just mad because you got owned. |
| Date | 01:17:46, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | We support this bill simply because if the government truly values the welfare of its people it will provide working conditions that are good enough that firefighters, hospital workers and the like won't go on strike. |
| Date | 03:14:55, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | Forpees: "You're just mad because you got owned" ... and you're just a little bitch because you're on the 'owning' side. Pells: People go on strike for more than simply working conditions. |
| Date | 03:27:08, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | By "working conditions" we meant all things related to their work, including wage, hours and everything else. |
| Date | 03:29:14, January 17, 2008 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | lol I win. |
| Date | 03:51:13, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | OOC: Forpees, you are a rather annoying and juvenile 14-year-old little pissant. Please do me a favor, and do not address me directly or indirectly on here again. Thank you. I don't wish to be a cad, but I think I win on this one. |
| Date | 04:40:42, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | DPUF, there's no need to be rude, PPPP, there's no need to be snarky. |
| Date | 05:43:56, January 17, 2008 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | It's hard to take people seriously on the internet. I do not understand in the least why DPUF-person would be mad. |
| Date | 06:23:19, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | (because they're fascist) |
| Date | 06:38:52, January 17, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | OOC: No, it's not because I'm a "fascists" because I am certainly not. While I realize this is the internet and we all think we have our little "characters"; based on what I have "seen", I find Forpees (as a person?) to be rude and annoying. Nothing good comes from 'arguing' or 'discussing' anything with the individual, and therefore, I do not wish to be addressed by them in any format. While I can't prevent them from doing so, I can at least request it and hope that what I have concluded about Forpees is false and he will heed my desired outcome. |
| Date | 07:02:55, January 17, 2008 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the On Civil Rights |
| Message | I'm sorry that you somehow interpret my ramblings and jokes as actually being me. I think it's ridiculous for anyone here to be able to make any judgments on who we all are as people. Hopefully we can get along better and come to a rational understanding. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 281 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 189 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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