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Bill: Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Front Nationaliste Royaliste

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2522

Description^[?]:

Our current national motto was made for a secularist, liberal republic that has been denounced by the People of Rildanor. It is time to recognise that faith is of central importance to Rildanor in our national motto.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change The national motto.

Old value:: �galit�, Harmonie, Prosp�rit�

Current: Unité, Stabilité, Sécurité (Unity, Stability, Security)

Proposed: Force par l'unit�, unit� par la foi

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	01:17:32, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	"Strength through unity, unity through faith."

Date	01:25:18, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	It's a nice quote, but we'd prefer if "faith" referred to faith in 4 Cs: citizenry, church, country, and crown.

Date	02:59:22, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Parti Communiste de Rildanor
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	We think we can work with all parties of the right to craft an acceptable motto for when we take control.

Date	05:53:32, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: the v for vendetta refrences are old and no longer cute or funny... can we please be more creative.

Date	07:32:01, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Option Citoyenne
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	The forced Christianization of Rildanor was rejected at the last election. This is therefore an anti-democratic step.

Date	19:13:07, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: I happen to like the quote, not because it refers to V for Vendetta, but because it works well for Rildanor.

Date	19:36:21, January 20, 2008 CET
From	Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: well that is the first thing people think of when they hear that quote... it shows a lack of origionality. and besides this country has to be one of the most disunified nations in terms of religious prefrence... and it will never achieve any level of unity through faith.

Date	00:19:20, January 21, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: We're almost completely Orthodox Catholic, with only small minorities of the remaining religions (Protestantism, Judaism, and Islam). Besides, Rildanor has had "Dieu et mon droit" before, along with many other nations (Alduria has it at present, Luthori has had it, etc.). Dieu et mon droit is the English motto and the motto of the British royal family.

Date	02:11:29, January 21, 2008 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: I wouldn't mind going back to "Dieu et mon droit."

Date	03:48:29, January 21, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	What about "Force par l'unit�, unit� par le Roi" (strength through unity, unity through the King)

Date	04:58:37, January 21, 2008 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	What if we had a queen?

Date	18:30:42, January 22, 2008 CET
From	Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	OOC: i was refering to the different factions within the Othodox Catholic church, there is a vast amount of disunity within it. The strenght through the king/queen one would make more sense, and it is much more origional. I don't know... I kind of like the current one more.

Date	18:45:51, January 22, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	"La foi" can be interpreted to mean almost anything. You can take it to mean Catholicism, Christianity, religion in general, faith in God, faith in one's country, faith in one's King, faith in the traditions of Rildanor, faith in the future of Rildanor. Its open to personal interpretation.

Date	00:33:28, January 24, 2008 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	If "la foi" can be interpreted to mean almost anything then please state it in the bill description. This just makes it easier for future reference.

Date	00:27:21, January 25, 2008 CET
From	Front Nationaliste Royaliste
To	Debating the Changement de la Devise Nationale, 2519
Message	This interpretation should be personal and should vary from person to person.

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Voting

Vote

Seats

yes

Total Seats: 190

Parti Radical et Radical-Socialiste (43)
Partie D�mocratique Lib�ral (42)
Rildanor Solidaire (0)

Total Seats: 85

abstain

Parti Union Nationale (28)

Total Seats: 28

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