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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of March 2521
Details
Submitted by[?]: Christian Federalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2521
Description[?]:
| While I support the other cabinet proposal as being more democratic then the current situation, I feel obligated to propose an even more democratic cabinet that would fairly represent a clear majority of Valruzians. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the Szef Walruziańskiej Ligi Socjalistycznej i Republiki Walruzyjskiej chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
National Liberal League
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Valruzian Conservative Front
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Gilded Rose Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Gilded Rose Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the National Liberal League
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the National Liberal League
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Valruzian Conservative Front
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Valruzian Conservative Front
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Christian Federalist Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:09:02, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Left Valruzian Block | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | Like I say, there is nothing democratic with this kind of proposal |
| Date | 10:11:02, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Christian Federalist Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | All the members of this proposed cabinet constitute a majority of the seats in the Council who collectively represent a majority of Valruzians. |
| Date | 12:22:15, January 24, 2008 CET | From | National Liberal League | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | Finally, a party who understands representing its constituents. Ignore the LVB, they know nothing of *actual* democracy. |
| Date | 12:23:00, January 24, 2008 CET | From | National Liberal League | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | I'm just afraid the WP and VCF may have gone inactive? |
| Date | 18:24:37, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | Nope, we're still here. |
| Date | 18:25:25, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | OOC: I just haven't been paying as much attention as of late, since a new semester is starting and I've been moving around a bit. |
| Date | 21:43:07, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Left Valruzian Block | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | In response to the LLL in the previous cabinet proposal (since this one is active: So since you ignore political language, I suggest you search in the internet to read more about relative majority and absolute majority which are apply in democratic elections like we have in Valruzia. You will see that when there is elections, the most voted party is in the best position to lead the country. All parties race to rule Valruzia, the first to pass over the finish line has own the right to be the HoG (it's a common sense!). If it has absolute majority it doesn't need other parties to form cabinet. In case of relative majority, the most voted party can make proposal to rule alone (but it will be dificult to rule well the country since bills won't pass) or reach a concensus with other parties to divide the cabinet and form coalition (like it happens in every corner of Terra). That a basic rule in a democracy. And it makes any sense otherwise because any party can form a majority (it only needs to do the math and present a proposal). If the people don't want us to have the right to be in the government, they will have showed us in previous election, voting for others parties like yours or LFP,... Instead in decades they put their fate in our hands and we will not fall for a bunch of revolutionaries trying to put some new rules for their own profit instead of hearing the people choice! Your supposed majority is not a democratic one. Stop trying to overthrow the establishing democracy with your deseperate revolutionary thing and all in the name of the people when people don't want your party to rule (if they wanted to, they will have vote in your favour and you won't have around 60% of my party's seats). |
| Date | 23:38:14, January 24, 2008 CET | From | Rewolucyjna Partia Socjalistyczna | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | Workers Power will not share power with conservative parties. |
| Date | 06:15:08, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Gilded Rose Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | No a MINORITY of people want your party in power. You have less than 50% of the population's vote. It's called vote splitting. What we have here is a minority controlling the government because they're the largest minority. It is more than fair, and totally democratic if the other minorities wish to band together to create a new government. That is called a MINORITY GOVERNMENT. Unless you get 51% of the population's vote, then you are, in fact a minority and only a minority of people share your view. Your race analogy is flawed because it has nothing to do with a selection of people. A better example would be the situation in Canada at the turn of the 21st century. The Conservative party got the most votes and therefor formed a cabinet, however the MAJORITY of people do not want the Conservatives in power (they voted for the Liberal party and the socialist NDP party.) Besides, democracy is not a be all end all. It is the best way we have to legitimize power, but that doesn't mean that we have to abide by it completely, as it can be unfair and detrimental as all human devised systems are. That's why we have failsafes, like coalition governments and constitutions. |
| Date | 12:29:57, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Left Valruzian Block | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | You made my point clear! the conservative party has won the right to form the cabinet because more people has voted for them even though they don't represent 50% (And I insist saying that they won with relative majority because it is call that way, I don't invent the word). And yes they are called a minority government if they don't agree to share power with other parties to get absolute majority like I describe in my previous message. And it happens because people have the choice between more than 2 parties. That's what elections are about: people choose; the most voted party win elections and the right to form the government like they want! That is not a flaw, it's a logical way of doing things. Our party will always be in favour of that system otherwise will enter in a phase of political instability. To reinvindicate the power like you pretend, your parties and others will have to agree and sign a protocol that they will become a coalition before any election process. Then yes I will recognize that you have won the right to form cabinet (because you are a declared coaltion) if the sum of your coalition's seats is greater than the party which has the most representation. Until then we will always considere it an antidemocratic way to gain power. LLL: Your approach is more anarchist than democratic. If you want, power you will have to prove it in the elections making people vote for your party and not with this selfish manner (because you don't want us, you propose a cabinet without us). We are what we are today because we fought hard to gain this place. And in this day we declare a break of relations with the LLL. |
| Date | 17:20:20, January 25, 2008 CET | From | Left Valruzian Block | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of March 2521 |
| Message | In this elections people have show LLL and LFP what they really want! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 133 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 167 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 33 |
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