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Bill: End The Nanny State
Details
Submitted by[?]: freedom party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2110
Description[?]:
| We in Saridan literally have a nanny state. We are costing tax payers more to run national daycare then is necessary, and over regulating private establishments into bankruptcy. Our over regulation is removing one of the most fondly remembered of teenage jobs. The babysitter. Hand this back to private industry and end the nanny state!! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Current: Pre-school education is private, but the government covers the schoolcosts of poor families.
Proposed: The government leaves development of nurseries to the private sector.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:49:38, September 06, 2005 CET | From |  Commercial Freedom | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | We oppose, we should have the right to control something that affects a child's learning stages. Besides, we had allowed the private sector to babysit before hand anyway. Do we really want unregulated businesses looking after a vulnerable child. It's making easy targets for peodophiles. |
| Date | 12:06:49, September 06, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | This is a truly disheartening argument. You shouldnt have the right to control a childs learning. You know who should? Parents! Unregulated doesnt mean it doesnt have standards. It means the government stops strangling it. The market mechanism provides against "pedophiles" because people wont pay to have their child raped. Thus companies will do their own screening in order to insure as many customers as possible. |
| Date | 13:52:14, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Commercial Freedom | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | I doubt peadophiles would make themselves known as one before they take the job, so in that case the parents won't know they are sending their children to be looked after by a child rapest. All these regulations did were ensure that the people looking after children didn't have a violent history or anyone else who could danger a child's health and sanity. Unregulated means the government won't have any responsibility in that area at all, meaning we won't be able to check to make sure that these aren't dangerous people. |
| Date | 20:07:19, September 06, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | The regulations that we imposed (and we had for more regulation beyond that) are nothing that the private sector couldnt do. Why do you think that we are capable of screening dangerous individuals, and the private sector is helpless to do the same??? |
| Date | 23:51:12, September 06, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | We disagree with this bill. Working mothers need these free nurseries, and the private sector, in the never-ending quest to make a quick buck, cannot be trusted with such sensetive children unregulated. |
| Date | 00:10:25, September 07, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | in its quest to make a buck it must provide a service. Parents want quality care for their children,thus the business provides this in order to get there money. this is the same mechanism in every sector. Even if the capitalists are total jerks, the consumer that they seek to take money from has desires that must be meant. That desire is quality care, thus the business must provide it if they wont their filthy money. |
| Date | 00:20:40, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Commercial Freedom | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | Yes, though they are unregulated. Meaning some, not all, but some will cut corners. You are going to make child care a very risky place. |
| Date | 00:22:38, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | That's true, but doesn't always work. Facades can be put in place. Tricks can be done, the filth wiped off the surfaces of the 'visiting area' which is never used. Besides, it still does not account for working mothers who rely on this childcare to allow them to support their families. And this bill breaks communities, too. Surely if private nurseries will keep standards, then the regulations will be met and there's no problem? The regulations are there as the basics to keep children safe that any nursery can keep, and prevents paedophiles and criminals getting jobs there. |
| Date | 00:24:49, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | And this does not stop babysitters, for they do not run a nursery - they simply provide independent individual care for friends and such, not run it as a 'business' so to speak. Babysitting still exists massively in nations with regulation (Western Europe, et al). |
| Date | 10:47:40, September 08, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | the tricks you talk about are just as easy to do against a public system. |
| Date | 21:17:30, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Enlightened Socialist Party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | Hardly. Under a public system, there is proper regulation, whereas in a private self-regulated system nothing happens in the regulation regard. |
| Date | 10:40:45, September 11, 2005 CET | From | freedom party | To | Debating the End The Nanny State |
| Message | Public officials are not superior to our citizens. They are just as liable to corruption. Thus, it is a moral constant. Thus, it is just as easy to corrupt a public system. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 217 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 185 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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