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Bill: Homosexuality in the military
Details
Submitted by[?]: Corporatism Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2108
Description[?]:
| To restrict homosexual behaviour in all military branches. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:28:05, September 07, 2005 CET | From |  Corporatism Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | An agressive military force cannot show ANY weakness. |
| Date | 16:11:57, September 07, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | Why is the acceptance of homosexuals a sign of weakness? |
| Date | 01:04:56, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Corporatism Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | homosexuals adversely affect the ability of the military services to maintain discipline, good order, and morale also homosexuals feel right at home with other men making the discipline weak and frail.. sexual intercourse should not be openly allowed in the military since it does break down aggression which is what you want from good soldiers. |
| Date | 01:40:27, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | How did you work that out? Where is your proof that homosexuals adversely affect te ability of the military services to maintain discipline, good order and morale? OOC: Do you have some evidence that morale and/or effectiveness is worse in troops from Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia , Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Lithuania, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand or United Kingdom that it is in troops from Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Croatia, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Turkey or Venezuela. If so, I would be most grateful to see it. The military personnel I know from Canada and the UK seem to have pretty good morale. Moreover, British units, containing openly gay men and lesbians, often fought in joint operations with United States military during the Iraq war. There is no evidence that serving with openly gay men and lesbians in any way adversely affected the performance of the American troops. 'Homosexuals feel right at home with other men making the discipline weak and frail'. What are you even saying here? Have you never hear the phrase 'esprit de corps'? Have you never heard of the absolute reliance and faith in each other soldiers need to have in order to be effective in battle? The men and women in service NEED to feel right at home with each other. They are a 'band of brothers'. 'sexual intercourse should not be openly allowed in the military since it does break down aggression'. Firstly, you assert that sex breaks down aggression. Where is your evidence for this? OOC: Troops seemed to have no problem with aggression in WW2 or Vietnam despite soldiers getting it on with the women in every village they passed through. That is sexual intercourse openly allowed in the military. Note that you don't specifically isolate homosexuals in this sentence, you say only that sex should not be allowed. I cannot see the logic in your assertion that sex leads to reduced aggression. Surely the truth is that your 'arguments' are a nonsense smokescreen to conceal the fact that your party is one of prejudice and bigotry. |
| Date | 07:56:30, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Corporatism Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | I stand by all that I have have said. Open homosexuality in the military is wrong wrong wrong and should be changed. |
| Date | 15:28:17, September 08, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Homosexuality in the military |
| Message | oh, well ok then. Good argument. I can't compete with the Socratic wisdom of 'wrong wrong wrong'. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 182 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 246 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 127 |
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