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Bill: Conscription
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2534
Description[?]:
| The current system is a waste of time and money. Kirlawa needs a professional army and community services and not a bunch of kids playing soldier or street sweeper. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:00:20, February 16, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | Agreed. A volunteer military will attract those of our citizens who are interested in serving in uniform -- and who are likely to be the most capable in this field (relative to other fields) as well -- without forcing anyone. Quality over quantity. However, please increase the pay for our brave citizens who do choose to serve, both during their time in our armed forces and a nice pension after they've retired. |
| Date | 08:03:27, February 17, 2008 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | Our military receive payment according to the demand and supply mechanism. The labour market determines the pay structure. |
| Date | 17:20:25, February 17, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | No, since when were our military paid like that? The government sets their pay, and while they try to keep it in line with national earnings, there is no free market involved. As it is, the current situation does not lead to a massive unqualified army, because many citizens choose not to join the military, and many that do choose to stay on as professionals. We firmly believe that national service provides a benefit to the nation and to the individual, binding the youth to their homeland. |
| Date | 18:32:17, February 17, 2008 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | That's a typical socialist reflex. as one might expect. If we have many vacancies and not enough applicants the state will improve conditions (like a pay rise) in order to keep the current military on board and to attract new recruits. If we have no vacancies etc. The state will respect the current contracts of course. |
| Date | 19:54:17, February 18, 2008 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | A nation's military is not a marketable commodity - market forces should not apply. |
| Date | 00:43:45, February 19, 2008 CET | From | Christian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Conscription |
| Message | National service encourages social solidarity and responsibility. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 159 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 411 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 147 |
| Random fact: "Kubrk" is a Jelbic word that has the colloquial meaning "old man" or "geezer". |
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