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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2109
Description[?]:
| Again, the AAP would like to table the motion that 'civil ceremonies' be allowed in a manner that truly reflects democracy and equality. We believe it is necessary that the same civil institution (regardless of faith-based institutions - they remain under the aegis of the relevent faiths) be available to ALL individuals. All benefits currently given to any portion of the population, should NOT be denied to another portion, for reasons as trivial as race, religion, or gender-orientation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government only recognises civil marriages between a man and a woman.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:39:31, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | The Leader of the CPL grouping in the Senate stands up and prepares to speak to the assembled representatives "NO, NO and NO! Marriage must remain sacred, marriage must be restricted to one man and one women. I do not want to see two men 'married', I do not want to see the members of a Hippy commune 'married', I want to see marriage remaining the basis of the family, families that can only be created by one man and one woman. Furthermore we do not see how current laws deny marriage on grounds of race or religion, and wish to see that struck out of the description." |
| Date | 17:48:18, September 09, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | A back bencher from the RLP receives recognition from the chair to rebutt: "s a firm member of my faith, if this measure were to be proposed in religious council I would say the same as the honorable member from the CPL, and I can only hope I would be as convincing in my discourse. However, we are a pluaristic and tolerant nation, and MUST accept that all do not share our beliefs. The legal benefits and responsibilities of marriage Must be mada available to all of our fine citizens, not just the majority who believe as my ilustrious opponent an I do." Regains his seat to thunderous applause. |
| Date | 18:56:15, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | The cabinet minister for internal affairs, Miss Naillisert, adds "We in the LPE support this bill as upholding one of the core tenets of our party's ideology - equ\ality. Is it fair that two people should be prevented from declaring their love for one another in the socially acceptable way, just because of the way they were born? Is it fair that they should be denied legal rights enjoyed by other couples just because biological factors beyond their control mean they do not conform to the majority? Homosexuals have committed no sins under Likatonian law, and therefore there is no reason why they should be discriminated against as they are at present." |
| Date | 19:19:13, September 09, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | Cries of "Yes" from the CPL benches to the two questions raised by the LPE Spokeswoman. |
| Date | 20:27:59, September 09, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | The members of the RLP erupt in spontanious applause to the Minister's remarks, interspiced with cries of "Here Here" |
| Date | 00:04:27, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | The member for the LPE would prefer that the members of the CPL enlightened us as to WHY the answer to those questions is yes, rather than merely heckling in that ineffective manner. |
| Date | 04:25:08, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | Response to the CPL: The Representative for the AAP stands make the following speech: "All marriages involve two factors. They involve the CIVIL recognition, and the ceremonial recognition. The CIVIL recognition is what allows us to give tax-breaks to married couples, due to their status. It is what enables us to set up the 'family-only' policy at the deathbed of a loved one. It is what allows us to set up inheritance law so that a loved one can recieve a legacy from a deceased citizen. ALL of those things are currently denied to our gay citizens. Not because of 'ceremony', but because the Likatonian government has a set of CIVIL rules, which are tied to a CIVIL ceremony, which they are not allowed to enjoy. The AAP does not wish to interfere in churches. We do not wish to see churches 'forced' to carry out weddings that are against their moral codes. But, this is a CIVIL ceremony we describe, and has nothing to do with 'recognition before God/Gods. As such, we see no religious connectivity on the issue, and no reason to use one groups' definition of what is 'sanctified', to define law on civil matters for our ENTIRE population". |
| Date | 12:30:08, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | So whats to stop several people marrying one another in a commune? Surely gays can receive these rights without marrying? Couldn't we give similiar rights to any adults who live with one another? |
| Date | 19:29:01, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | Again, the AAP is alternately dismayed and amazed at the voting behaviour of the Right Wing Liberals Party. How is a ban on gay marriage 'liberal'? Response to the CPL: Why SHOULDN'T a group of people be allowed to marry? Some religions and cultures allow it, but not within Likatonian borders. How is it right for the Likatonian government to legislate OTHER religions? How would our own religious party members feel, if THEIR marriage arrangements were outlawed? |
| Date | 19:46:02, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | We will always aim to support the idea of a marriage, whether it be religious or civil, being between one man and one women, that is the view of our party, that is the view of our membership, that is the policy that our supporters backed at the last election. |
| Date | 19:47:13, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | Response to the CPL... yes, but WHY? What is the reasoning behind limiting marriage to this one constrained arrangement? |
| Date | 20:50:42, September 10, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Reform Bill - Marriage (ii) |
| Message | Because that is tradition, a tradition that has gone on for as long as any CPL member can remember. We favour the status quo because we feel there is no need to change the law over this matter. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 98 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 48 |
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