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Bill: Income tax proposal of July 2534
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2535
Description[?]:
| The Democratic Rationalists propose to adjust the government's income tax policy to better address the economic situation of the Democratic Republic of Aloria. |
Proposals
Article 1
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 6,500 ALO | 12% | 10,528,000,000 ALO |
| > 10,000 ALO | 40% | 20,595,000,000 ALO |
| > 15,000 ALO | 45% | 12,583,000,000 ALO |
| > 20,000 ALO | 50% | 4,545,000,000 ALO | Total | 48,251,000,000 ALO |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:06:15, February 19, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | Since it doesn't look like the luxury tax bill is going to pass, we propose this income tax adjustment to bring the budget back into balance. We believe the upper tax brackets are as high as they should be. At 6,500 ALOs, however, we're still taxing well into the upper half of Alorian income earners. |
| Date | 23:16:40, February 19, 2008 CET | From |  Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | See, it starts with the rich now the "working-class-friendly" DR lay the bill at the door of the poorer folks, too. Creeping taxation to help fund a fat budget. |
| Date | 00:36:39, February 20, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | "Poor?" If you'd do your homework, you'd know $6500 is still well into the upper half of Alorian income earners. It's good that you've revealed, though, that all your talk of "compromise" and "unity" was hot air. It's fairly obvious when we submitted the last budget that we hadn't realized the luxury tax repeal had passed. We're not in the habit of submitting budgets out of balance, and there's no reason for us to start now. Had you been acting in good faith, your response would have been, "hey, I'm not sure if you realize there aren't the funds for this. You seem to have overlooked something." Instead you jumped on this as an opportunity for more smear politics. We saw through you all along. Everyone else does now, too. |
| Date | 01:20:52, February 21, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | The luxury tax levy failed. If the income tax bill doesn't pass, we'll have to cut the budget back. |
| Date | 03:17:06, February 21, 2008 CET | From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | IF YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK DR, you'd understand a BUDGET DEFICIT leads to less purchasing power from the dollar. THUS POORER CITIZENS who you then TAX, TAX, TAX, TAX. |
| Date | 05:08:06, February 21, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Public Union | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | The Deficit hasn't been around long enough (We've had enough years of surplus) It was your bill that did away with the sales tax that caused the deficit |
| Date | 06:32:51, February 21, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | MLP, we're not in favor of deficit spending as a matter of policy, except in rare circumstances like war or serious recession. This happened as a result of an error. We take responsibility for that error, but the fact is the tax bill that produced the deficit was one you submitted. That's consistent with your party's long history of slashing taxes without first cutting spending, producing large budget deficits. We have a problem to fix. We're pretty confident it will be fixed this term. If the political support doesn't appear for this level of taxation, we won't have any choice but to cut the budget back. There's another possibility, too, I suppose. Since income tax and budget bills have to pass by a majority of the legislature (rather than by a majority of voting parties), it's possible no political consensus will develop. In that case, we'll have a sustained deficit until GDP growth catches up enough to draw in enough revenues to meet the budget. We don't favor that approach for some of the reasons you describe (inflation). On the other hand, deficit spending does have the advantage of encouraging rapid economic growth. Aloria will survive either way. We believe the most prudent approach is to balance the budget now with a tax adjustment. But if no consensus develops, Aloria will get along. |
| Date | 13:07:07, February 21, 2008 CET | From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | Your party created the problem. We have been pushing tax cuts AND spending for decades. Your party specifically has ALWAYS proven to be the main opposition. Don't try to shift the blame either, DR. We haven't had a conservative majority in parliament in this nation for decades. The liberal bloc has ballooned spending and then ballooned tax increases and still you can't keep a balanced budget. The sad part is, these measures (which your party usually spearheads) are approved time-and-time again. Your time to "fix" problems has been tested and failed. You might talk a tough game about economics and the pros and cons of deficit spending, but your actions speak otherwise. Your party needs to vote FOR spending decreases AND tax decreases. We've tried your way for the past 2 decades, now try ours. |
| Date | 01:32:27, February 22, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | They're approved "time-and-time again" because even now, at %10 of GDP, Aloria's budget is still pretty lean. We're just now emerging from a longer term budget crisis in which Aloria's military and social services were emaciated. |
| Date | 05:10:27, February 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | One word for MLP's failure: Economy |
| Date | 05:10:43, February 22, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of July 2534 |
| Message | One word for MLP's failure: Economy |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 313 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 290 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 147 |
| Random fact: It is forbidden to impersonate a player or Moderator. |
| Random quote: "History is made by angry minorities, not by passive majorities." - Fareed Zakaria |