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Bill: Tukarali Monarchy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tukarali Graenix Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2538
Description[?]:
| I see no reason for a HoS seeing as that and the HoG are essentially the same position. It would be great to have a cymbolic monarchy in Tukarali, but I would also support the merging of HoG and HoS |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:29:04, February 24, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Popular Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | We would support a monarchy. OOC: But I am a bit unsure of how it works, will the current HoS become monarch or will the next elected president become Monarch? - we will support this proposal in either case... Just want it cleared up. |
| Date | 23:36:01, February 24, 2008 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | We don't support a monarchy, because it gives one player an unfair advantage of being able to boss people around, we're rather prefer a more democratic system in which the HoS is periodically elected, and made accountable for his actions. |
| Date | 01:08:39, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Popular Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | A monarch would be kept out of the political system of course, his role would, as stated in the proposal, be purely symbolic. |
| Date | 01:55:05, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | The current Great Chieftain is the symbolic head of the nation, they are to be apolitical. They have little real power. The head of the government is just that, the head of the executive government. The two positions are very different. |
| Date | 03:19:39, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Tukarali Graenix Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | Isn't a monarch apolitical? What is the point of electing someone when they do nothing. And I don't know about you but nobody is or ever will boss somethign around my way. And JUP, would you support a merger between the two? |
| Date | 03:30:25, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | Definitely not. That is even worse than having a monarch. The head of government is a person who heads the executive government. They are where government policy comes from, and they are responsible for management and mismanagement of the state. The head of state is a symbol of the people, a person who all citizens, regardless of their political views, should support. They are the nation. It is for this reason that they cannot be political. The head of state should be elected, based on merit. Having a royal family, a monarchy, implies that these people are particularly suited to the role, and are better than the ordinary people. A monarchy does not suit the history of our nation. |
| Date | 07:40:11, February 25, 2008 CET | From | JDW Tukarali Greens Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | oppose |
| Date | 13:22:27, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | Support. |
| Date | 19:58:20, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Greenish Liberal Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | "Isn't a monarch apolitical?" It should be, but ultimately it will be a nominee of a party of a particular player which will be the de facto "leader of Tukurali". Establishing a power base only leads to dictatorial-like behavior, and will tear apart the social structure between the parties of our nation. |
| Date | 22:20:49, February 25, 2008 CET | From | Judicial Union Party | To | Debating the Tukarali Monarchy |
| Message | Indeed, the head of state should be based on merit and democracy, not on who their parents were. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 195 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 262 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 43 |
| Random fact: "Game mechanics comes first." For example, if a currently-enforced bill sets out one law, then a player cannot claim the government has set out a contradictory law. |
| Random quote: "The goal of life is living in agreement with nature." Zeno (335 BC - 264 BC), from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers |