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Bill: Basic Standards of Living

Details

Submitted by[?]: CNT/AFL

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2129

Description[?]:

Guaranteeing every resident of Lodamun the dignity to have a reasonable standard of living.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:06:00, September 10, 2005 CET
FromRoyal Conservative Party
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageThere is absolutely no reason why taxpayers should have to supplement the lifestyles of low income/unemployed members of the community.

Date20:24:31, September 10, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageWhat causes people to be unemployed or on low incomes?

Date23:31:38, September 10, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageFailure to provide society with goods and services that are in demand.

Date23:51:36, September 10, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageTherefore, they are not in control of their employment or their wages and so require support from other taxpayers.

Date00:01:17, September 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageThey are in control. They provide something of value to others, in exchange others pay them.

Date01:07:06, September 11, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageThey do not own the means of production, they are controlled at whim by those who do.

Date01:08:07, September 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageLabor is a factor of production, they own their own labor. Simple as that. Those that produce need them.

Date03:04:55, September 11, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageIf someone has no income, do we allow them to starve to death?

Date04:24:31, September 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageOr do we steal from someone else to provide for them? There are private charities, which are far more effective at providing for the genuinely disadvantaged than tax-funded plans.

Date17:12:31, September 11, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageAre we confident that private charities will catch every case? It's a very idealistic assumption. We're all for idealism, of course, but it has to be tempered with a realistic assessment of what works and what does not.

Date21:02:29, September 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageWhat works is those in need going to those willing to provide for them. What doesnt is red tape and Welfare queens.

Date19:14:50, September 13, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageHmm, there's a thought for the monarchy bill.

Date19:44:39, September 13, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
Message;-)

Date01:40:24, October 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageOOC point:
"Are we confident that private charities will catch every case? It's a very idealistic assumption. We're all for idealism, of course, but it has to be tempered with a realistic assessment of what works and what does not."

I invite everyone to look into the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and tell me who was more effective in disaster relief and rescue, the Red Cross and other private charities, or FEMA and other government agencies.

The government had more money, but the Red Cross still got there first and had a greater impact.

Date12:09:34, October 11, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
Messagewhich was a national disgrace rather than something to shout about. Katrina and the aftermath is an on-going disaster.

Date18:39:09, October 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageThe disgrace is the people's unfounded faith in an inefficient and ineffective government.

Date18:58:01, October 11, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
Messagethey should get a new one

Date19:04:20, October 11, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
Message?

Date17:31:01, October 21, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageThe fact that Bush's government is a travesty does not mean all government is a travesty. That's a logical fallacy.

Date20:15:44, October 21, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
Message"Inefficient and ineffective" applies to many more government's than the current US one.

Date23:56:23, October 21, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageOh, certainly true. The ooc point about the International Red Cross being more efficient than the US government is certainly true. The conclusion's what's in dispute.

Date01:20:36, October 22, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Basic Standards of Living
MessageAh. I wasnt sure what exactly you were referring to.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
     

Total Seats: 164

no
  

Total Seats: 109

abstain
 

Total Seats: 27


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