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Bill: Name Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Solentian People Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2547
Description[?]:
| Changing the titles of our senior ministers. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current: Wazir (Chief Minister)
Proposed: Government Chairperson
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: First Minister
Current: Amir al-Mu'minin (Emir of the Faithful)
Proposed: Prime Minister
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:20:23, March 17, 2008 CET | From |  Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | Government Chairperson? Wha? There is a lot of informative information in the nomenclature debate perhaps giving it a look might aide you in this. I admit, a name change is in order but this definitely isn't a direction I'd like to see us head. |
| Date | 17:22:05, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | I feel these titles are much more reflective of the actual jobs in which the two roles are. For example, the head of government who chairs cabinet is currently called PM, when in actual fact they are more of a chairperson who oversees our First Minister's policy. The reason I want First Minister changed back to Prime Minister is because Prime sounds more important and formal than First Minister and I feel First rather undermines the role and the responsibility this position entails. I find the term rather old fashioned as well as it was applied hundreds of years ago. I feel we need an update and titles which reflect the position. Prime Minister undermines the first minister title when in actual fact First Minister is more senior than Prime Minister. I basically feel a better distinction between the two roles should be applied. Janice Andrews, First Minister |
| Date | 17:32:04, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | OOC: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=177957 Above is the link to the nomenclature debate that our dear friends the People Party have apparently overlooked. There is much information and input from other parties. Including parties which hold many more seats than I. I would urge others to look at this and clearly see the majority opinion was closer to other titles than what is being proposed here. I'd be happy to copy and paste the information over but, I'm sure of my colleagues ability to look it up should they find it pertinent. |
| Date | 19:28:42, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | I have contributed to the above debate now, I hope we can soon find titles the majority of us agree with. |
| Date | 19:29:10, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | I would be happy with Prime Minister, Supreme President or President for the HoS which is what most of us seem to want. However, I like the Chamber of Represenatives which is what we have of current. As for HoG, O think Government Chairperson or Simply 'Head Minister' or Senior Minister would do fine. |
| Date | 19:32:17, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | We can always put through another bill for HoG |
| Date | 19:39:40, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | I have no qualms with the Chamber of Rep's at all. I recently proposed Senate as it seemed like a majority wanted it. I'm more concerned about the titles of the Head of State and Head of Government. We can look up the real-world cases where this is applicable and the names do vary a bit. Though, there are clear distinctions and one title doesn't (in the real world) denote the other position in name; as it shouldn't here in my opinion. Truly, that is my only issue with the naming debacle. I'm fairly simple, I like Prime Minister and President. Or Chancellor and Prime Minister or whatever. First Minister of Supreme President does as I said, implies some lower-rank when by our constitution it is not a lower position merely a different role in function. In full disclosure I obviously have nothing to gain by these titles. I'd like it to be fair and equal to any party who holds the appropriate office and I fear bitter feelings could creep up by making another party feel lesser by a mere adjective. Is it worth it? |
| Date | 19:40:32, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | Clarification: I said one title doesn't denote the other title. I meant it doesn't demote the other title. Sorry. |
| Date | 19:44:41, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | FRL, I agree by on large with your comments here. We need a senior title for HoS such as President, Chancellor or Prime Minister and as for HoG- my suggestions are Deputy Prime Minister/President/Chancellor or Simply Senior/Head Minister. Again, I have nothing to gain by this as many parties in the future will be elected to govern. Janice Andrews, First Minister |
| Date | 19:57:08, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | Well, we're making headway here. What do you want for the HoS? 1: President 2: Chancellor 3: Prime Minister (In context for the Head of State this makes more sense but, I'm indifferent!) What do you and of course others want for the HoG: 1: President 2: Chancellor 3: Premier 4: ? In the context of this government type, I'd desire the Head of State to be the Prime Minister and the HoG being the President or Chancellor. This stacks up with nearly every other one-legislative body democracy in the world. What say you? Signed, Party Chairman, Edward 'Tipp' Wagner |
| Date | 20:56:52, March 17, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | We will be flexible and support either Chancellor or President. Hog we will support Premier or Chancellor if the office of President is picked for HoS. We cannot support President for HoG as it would be confusing considering the list of previous presidents. (ooc, some of whom are mentioned in the Wikia as such) |
| Date | 02:16:56, March 18, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Name Bill |
| Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=180865 A new bill at the gist of this based off the input here. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 95 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 92 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 122 |
| Random fact: Real-life places should not be referenced in Particracy. |
| Random quote: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Howard Zinn |