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Bill: General James Withmore
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Republics Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2552
Description[?]:
| General James Withmore shall be arrested. An international tribunal shall be convened consisting of 6 judges from different parties, 3 from Lodamun and 3 from Likatonia, appointed by Heads of State. 4 votes needed for conviction. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:32:57, March 25, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | I'm a little confused, but did this general just use chemical weapons to kill 1,000,000 Lodamese citizens of Likatonian heritage? If so, I suggest he be tried and executed for crimes against humanity; and for the Minister of Defense to report to the PFP for questioning. The city of Zaphograd has been completely destroyed and our response is to kill more of our own loyal citizens? |
| Date | 15:37:41, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | what Lieutenant general James Whitmore did was instead of directly attacking the enemy millitary forces there he called in all avalible support to bomb the area. And we dident kill our own citizens, the civilan cassualties where self decleared Likatonians who have long wanted to become part of Likatonia, and is the reason for why this war started. Also I would like to point out he dident have command over the aerial and naval units who participated in the bombing, he only commanded the heavy artillery regiment in the corps, so would only have control over what shells those regiments used, and we will therfore need to start an investigation into the matter to resolve the issue. We will trial him after the war is over tho if a majority feel like it, but in a war we need the best military leaders we have, and he is one of the best. We havent had any major operation in a long time and he is one of the few people who have commanded a corps sized unit in battle through this war, so there arent many to replace him. As off right now he will remain in charge of the 3th infantry corps guarding the boarder in the north-western parts of Rapula. Also as for my role in this matter I dident oreder anything of this sort, I dont get involved in military tactic on that level as I have no experience with the tactical levels of commanding a unit of that sice. What I do is discuss the strategic and political aimes of this war with the head of our armed forces James Norton - Minister of Defence |
| Date | 20:48:23, March 25, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | The idea that these Lodamese citizens are have Likatonian sympathies is a myth. There were still Lodamese citizens who deserve the protction of the state. This attack was an act of genocide against our own citizens - who regardless of their attitudes deserve the protection of the state. The Minister of Defense is responsible for this outrage. He admits he has no experience or oversight of military tactics, and continues to defend the criminal actions of his generals. Under his "leadership" Zaphograd has been destroyed and chemical weapons were used. Allowing General Whitmore to remain in command is unacceptable. |
| Date | 21:15:01, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | the minister of defence could not do anything about Zaphograd. The Likatonians had military control of the city at the time, and it was there bombs that destroyd the city. |
| Date | 21:49:05, March 25, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | I stand behind the Minister of Defence he was just trying to do what was best for lodamun |
| Date | 10:15:44, March 26, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | I don't know why LLP is voting no since the Defense Minister claimed we could investigate fully after the war. Smells like a cover up. The Likatonian terms of surrender called for the trial of all war criminals. I believe the murder of one million civilians is sufficient. |
| Date | 13:40:51, March 26, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | We will investigate it, but until the investigation has been done the LLP will not put blame on anyone. If the investiagtions do find that there is reason to belive Lieutenant general James Whitmore is connected to those crimes he will offcourse be stripped of his rank and be trialed in a military court. |
| Date | 21:03:59, March 26, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | When will we finally begin investigations into the incident? LLP promises investigations but has yet to deliver. It's time for the PFP to take action. |
| Date | 00:32:33, March 27, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | As soon as the was is ended a investigation will be authorized personaly by the minister of defence. The investigation will be lead by LP, and all parties who want to participate in the investigation will be able to do so. The LLP will not be directly involved in the investigation because we hold the ministry of defence. |
| Date | 01:06:46, March 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | I recommend that we should not arrest General Withmore until the investigation is finished. If the investigation shows that he played any role on those crimes he is accused of, then we should try him in a military court as mandated by law. It wil be up to the Minister of Defense to decide whether he will continue to lead his army during the investigation. |
| Date | 01:07:15, March 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | This bill is not necessary and should not be passed. |
| Date | 04:04:53, March 27, 2008 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the General James Withmore |
| Message | The LP is a hawkish party. I'd prefer GGP or DPLP to handle the investigation. I call on the President to launch an independent inquiry. How can the LLP appoint the party responsible for the investigation of his own actions? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 74 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 76 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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