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Bill: Reform of Civil Liberties

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Chidan Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2556

Description^[?]:

To protect the right of a citizen to defend his/her name and reputation.

Proposal^[?] to change Libel laws.

Old value:: Individuals may sue over falsehoods printed on them.

Current: Individuals may sue over falsehoods printed on them.

Proposed: Individuals may sue over all defamatory remarks printed on them, even truthful ones.

Proposal^[?] to change Slander laws.

Old value:: Individuals may sue over malicious falsehoods spoken about them.

Current: Individuals may sue over falsehoods and defamatory opinions spoken about them, if judged to be malicious.

Proposed: Individuals may sue over all defamatory remarks spoken about them, even truthful ones, unless in court testimony.

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	06:01:42, April 05, 2008 CET
From	Endralon Confederates Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	I don't see why you should be able to sue over things that are true. If factual statements are being made, then I don't see how legal action is justified.

Date	08:34:01, April 05, 2008 CET
From	New Liberal Party of Endralon
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	As long as the burden of proof lies with the slanderer, we don't see why people should be able to sue over true statements. This is just ridiculous, what is the CP playing at?

Date	14:34:30, April 05, 2008 CET
From	Chidan Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	The CP is defending the right of a citizen to defend their reputation and not have their name slandered and dragged through the media at every possible opportunity. We believe in protecting the dignity and allowing for the equal treatment of all the citizens of Endralon. That, is what we are playing at.

Date	23:55:44, April 05, 2008 CET
From	Endralon Confederates Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	I wasn't aware it was slander if it was true?

Date	00:29:32, April 06, 2008 CET
From	Chidan Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	Technically no, but you know what I mean. No one has the right to invade the privacy of another.

Date	07:13:19, April 06, 2008 CET
From	Endralon Confederates Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	"Technically no, but you know what I mean." Not..really..lol.. I don't see how reporting something truthful is invading their privacy. Sure if the information was acquired through some invasion of privacy, I could see that, but this doesn't stop that.

Date	13:38:24, April 06, 2008 CET
From	New Liberal Party of Endralon
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	Surely in that situation the person being sued could make a counter claim over the privacy issue.

Date	15:45:04, April 06, 2008 CET
From	Chidan Party
To	Debating the Reform of Civil Liberties
Message	Basically I misused the term "slander" to have a more general meaning, relating to one individual damaging the name of another, be it truth or otherwise. Replace "damaged" with "slandered" and hopefully my statement will be more coherent. I stand by the belief that my proposal is a step towards protecting the privacy of the citizens of Endralon from the harmful, malicious force that is the media and others who wish to damage their reputation. If I separated this proposal, and put forward Article 1alone, would each party still vote no?

Vote

Seats

yes

Total Seats: 170

Total Seats: 535

abstain

Total Seats: 0

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