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Bill: Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Independent Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2563
Description[?]:
| Supreme President Edward Bailen's cabinet selection for his 2562 - 2565 term. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Meritocratic Alliance
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Autonomist Party of Solentia
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Meritocratic Alliance
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Meritocratic Alliance
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Solentian People Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Autonomist Party of Solentia
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Solentian People Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Federal Republican Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:34:57, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | We agree to it. It looks like a good mix. Will the Independent Party not be sitting? |
| Date | 03:45:25, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | The IP has not been present in the latest government interactions and regimes and therefore would certainly kill the cabinet by abstaining during the voting process. We are sad to do this, but it is for the progress of the nation. FIP Majority Leader Desi Avan |
| Date | 05:01:48, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | I am sad to inform you that the APS can not approve of a cabinet that involves the SRNP, especially as Head of Government. We had hoped the FIP would take this opportunity to distance themselves from the party.who not only encourages the buying and selling of human beings but is overtly active in the destruction of our humane rights. |
| Date | 05:03:44, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | It should be fairly clear why the F.R.P. is voting no on this measure. Many of the reasons have been listed and the others ought be clear as crystal. The F.R.P. does not recognize the authority of our fraudulent Head of Government nor the racist and bigoted S.R.N.P as the Head of State. Party Spokesman, Ron Seigler |
| Date | 05:09:10, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | All that said, I am happy to be nominated and would happily support a cabinet excluding the terrorist party. OOC: Sorry it took two posts to say that little bit. |
| Date | 05:48:06, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | Fellow patriots now is not the time to let old wounds sour the moment. We have here, presented by the FIP an olive branch of redemption between all our respective parties, one that mathematically as you well know, the FIP did not have to offer. IF the FRP and APS could accept their positions in cabinet, which I well believe they would excel at, surely rifts would be healed. I urge reconsideration. Senate Warden Harold Belisarius. |
| Date | 05:51:40, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | You are happy to be nominated by a party that you call "greedy" that accepts support from an "underhanded, lying, slave trading, and global extremist". Makes perfect sense. A cabinet must be passed as the old cabinet coalition still remains and bars the Federal Independent Party from serving even though it is the majority party currently. If this will be rejected and all future ones including the SRNP, then a new cabinet will be constructed that will ensure passage. It has been far too long since a new cabinet has been passed. FIP Majority Leader Desi Avan |
| Date | 06:07:13, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | From the Offices of the F.R.P. The opportunity for a bipartisan cabinet was presented unto the Senate in accordance with the desires of the Federal Independent Party. It is those present and watching this debate that abstained, provided nothing of substance and failed to meet the requirements sought by both the F.I.P. and the F.R.P. These are now false accusations, the F.I.P. and Mr. Desi Avan can attest to these talks and our desires to unify the nation. You brand the F.R.P. as incompetent, a poor leader with no vision and a party of secrecy in affairs. All of these are as groundless claims as they come. The recent elections that the reprehensible S.R.N.P. endorsed and pushed for only shows the absolute inability to form a coherent vision of what is up from down! The F.R.P. has seen an overwhelming up tick in our nations revenues; we've cut spending-increased military aide; lead the way to reform our proud and time-honored military. We've stood as the party of moderation and reform for the better-not at the risk of tradition. It is the current Minister of Defense Rowlins who has seen to keeping the vile Emirates States from hostile actions in the affairs of Deltaria. It is the Minister of Foreign Affairs under the tenure of Supreme President Naveed that alas allowed our proud Republic to take a stand on the international stage. And not as an aggressor but, as a voice of reason and moderation. Our party does not beat the drums of war; we believe diplomacy is best conducted with tact and copious amounts of study and reaching out to other like-minded nations. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs under the F.R.P's tenure as the Head of Government also seen to numerous ratifications of worthwhile treaties; most of which the S.R.N.P. rejected! It is also to the credit of the Minister of Foreign Affairs under the guidance of the respectable Mr. Naveed that has seen to it that the radical agenda the S.R.N.P. would have aimed at the world while supporting another domestically to fool his allies goes checked. The F.R.P. and it's various spokesman have no regrets about our conduct in being inclusive on all accounts of government. We've gone out of our way to work with the S.R.N.P. on the Deltarian question. We've worked with the Federal Independent Party on the issue of a coalition government. We've also worked with the People Party on various issues and have come to respect them for there cautious renderings of judgments-much like the Independent Party. If the S.R.N.P. wishes to continue to defame our parties reputation-it is within their right and ALL members of the Federal Republican Party would lay their lives down for your right to speak it! It is to the other parties I appeal to and ask that these words be considered and read and judged on the record. The F.R.P. has no more remarks on issue at hand. Thank you. Party Spokesman, Ron Seigler |
| Date | 15:54:48, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | Apparently, using lots of words is confusing to our new 'leaders.' Do you, the FIP, support the buying and selling of other people? |
| Date | 16:08:13, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | Question two: How can the FIP not be worried that the SRNP's international meanderings are not a threat to Solentia? Even if the SRNA poses no domestic threat intentionally, their involvement in other peoples wars, without government consent, certainly could bring war to our doorstep. |
| Date | 16:39:01, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | Autonomists Excuse me, and I am not defending others here, but it was the last government that you were part of which started all these discussions about possibly going to war and your leader the FRP president made it quite clear to the senate that we would not be consulted on whether you did go to war or not. |
| Date | 17:50:44, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | SRNP started those discussions. |
| Date | 17:51:24, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | SRNP has also stated that they intend to use their personal millitia in other countries wars, having nothing to do with the Deltaria debate. |
| Date | 17:52:07, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | And it is the APS which has voted along with others, to join that Axis Alliance of Terra, the very organization many of SRNP's troops are assigned towards. |
| Date | 17:55:17, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | I want our country to join AAT for the added defense it gives our country. Yeah we have a good military, but allies are a great thing to have should a war break out. You joined so you could exert your blood lust and kill people and make others your slaves. |
| Date | 17:56:37, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | How hypocritical are those who bless the end but curse those involved in the means. Autonomists support the AAT treaty but will not back those who engage in it's defense. Pathetic. |
| Date | 17:59:14, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | From Solentian Radical Nationalist Party To Federal Republic of Solentia Message SRNP Press Release: With recent electorial gains and a greater trend within the party towards fanatical militancy (19.4%), the Solentian Radical Nationalist Army now stands at 418,259 members. 300,000 are still assigned to Global Nationalist Brigade duty. The Home Guard stands now 118,259, though it is considered that the vast majority of these will either be dispatched to AAT or GNB duties internationally. Most of your troops are not involved in AAT, they are off fighting 'communism' which it is my parties belief that you don't even know why you dislike communism. |
| Date | 18:02:55, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | 100,000 Home Guard were offered up recently to AAT. They will most likely enter Ikradon, depending on AAT leadership's decision. The 300,000 SRNA soldiers attached to Global Nationalist Brigades are not engaged in hostilities. |
| Date | 18:05:02, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Autonomist Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | So you do not deny that you are blood thirsty and seek to obtain prisoners of war to make into your personal slaves? |
| Date | 18:05:39, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | 100,000 Home Guard were offered up recently to AAT. They will most likely enter Ikradon, depending on AAT leadership's decision. The 300,000 SRNA soldiers attached to Global Nationalist Brigades are not engaged in hostilities. |
| Date | 18:11:21, April 18, 2008 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2562 - 2655 |
| Message | SRNP is not involved in slave trade. There was a bill proposed by SRNP which included provisions for slavery, and a further bill defining such as for prisoners of war, and prisoners in general. The former passed, the latter did not. The point is moot because those laws are no longer in effect and cannot be put back into affect because of current treaties in existance since then. Treaties you yourself are well aware of. Why continue on this tirade years later? The actions of the SRNA comply with domestic law as Solentian citizens are bound by the laws of our republic regardless where they may be. As one squirrel said to another, "Dude, get off my nuts." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 267 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 67 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 91 |
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