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Bill: Chief Minister's formal title
Details
Submitted by[?]: Covenanters (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2113
Description[?]:
| Chief Minister is a perfectly good name for our head of government, and quite descriptive. However: it reads very oddly when inserted in front of the name as a formal title, as is done automatically on the nation page. In line with our monarch's title this party proposes the Chief Minister's formal title should be a gender neutral title that befits the office but reads correctly when inserted in front of the office holder's name. He will, of course, still be known as the Chief Minister. Real life example: If the name of the office is inserted in front of the incumbent's name the UK Prime Minister would be addressed like this: "Prime Minister Tony Blair". However: his formal title is as follows: "The Rt Hon Tony Blair MP" and he is simply referred to as Prime Minister or First Lord of the Treasury where appropriate. He is also known as "Mr Blair" not "Prime Minister Blair". |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Chief Minister
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: The Right Honourable
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:38:43, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | Mmmmkay. |
| Date | 09:13:32, September 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | what's wrong with "Prime Minister Blair"? we call him "President Bush" "right honorable" is a term of respect, not of position. |
| Date | 10:47:01, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | A formal title is the thing you have in front of your name, which is different from your job description. It's "Mr Blair, the Prime Minister", not "Prime Minister Blair". "The Right Honourable" is a formal title representing quite specific positions. It can only be used by commoners who are members of the Privy Council. |
| Date | 12:35:59, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | Actually I've seen Prime Minister Blair quite alot. If you search for the exact phrase "Prime minister tony blair" in google: http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=%22Prime+minister+tony+blair%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta= You get 2,420,000 results. Whereas if you search for "Mr Blair the Prime Minister" : http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Mr+Blair%2C+the+Prime+Minister%22&btnG=Search&meta= Only 485 results "blair the prime minister" : only 33,400 "blair prime minister" 57,500 So I can safely say you're wrong. |
| Date | 12:37:11, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | You have to copy past those urls no click them. |
| Date | 15:18:36, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | In fact even "mr blair" gets less results then "Prime minister blair"! "mr blair": 2,180,000 results |
| Date | 20:27:31, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | It's still wrong. He has no title other than "The Rt Hon" which he gets for being on the Privy Council. The Chief Minister is a civilian. As such his title should be Mr, Miss, Mrs or whatever. In the case of the current incumbent this is Reverend Doctor, but the specific part can be entered as part of the name, the common denominator is "The Rt Hon" and this is correct to insert in front of the others. |
| Date | 20:50:40, September 17, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | Oh, and if the Seosavists check their results they'll probably find the "Prime Minister Blair" are from foreign or unofficial sources. |
| Date | 04:48:12, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Chief Minister's formal title |
| Message | The DUP is correct in terms of Chief Minister and Prime Minister being job titles, and The Rt Hon being the title that goes with them. That is how it works in the Westminster Parliamentary System (England) and the Washminster Parliamentary System (Australia), of course President, as used in the United States, is both a job title and the offical title, as stated by the NFP. The problem is one of cultural difference, as President Bush is known as Mr Bush in England and Australia, while Mr Blair is known as Prime Minister Blair in America. I have watched the news from each of these nations and have noticed this difference. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 513 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 204 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 33 |
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