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Bill: COM Defense Preparations
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2565
Description[?]:
| For too long our military has been in need of more support. We must make these necessary preparations to enhance our defensive forces so that we will be ready if necessary. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:33:09, April 20, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | We are willing to compromise on almost all of these articles. -Thorden Raxney COM Party Leader |
| Date | 21:43:38, April 20, 2008 CET | From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | Articles IV and V must be removed if you want our support. Vojislav Krkljus Chairman of the RRP |
| Date | 22:12:03, April 20, 2008 CET | From | Radical Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | We oppose article I. Umberto Caccini Leader of the Radical Party |
| Date | 23:30:37, April 20, 2008 CET | From | Telamon Minarchist Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | About the only article we do support in this bill is the article on weapons exports. Lenny Nozick Party Leader, Telamon Anarcho-Capitalist Party |
| Date | 00:24:36, April 21, 2008 CET | From | United Socialist Peoples Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | The USPP does not see any reason to change the current policies in articles II and III. Article IV will not recieve our support. |
| Date | 03:37:28, April 21, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | As we recognize this as an attempt to pull the country to the right, we will only support this bill under these conditions: 1) Article II regarding separation of police and military as well as Article III regarding POWs are repealed. 2) The COM party agrees to support the pre-school privatization bill and the military service compromise bill. |
| Date | 04:55:41, April 21, 2008 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | We will support this bill. |
| Date | 05:22:31, April 21, 2008 CET | From | United Socialist Peoples Party | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | Article IV should be removed from this bill. Look at the example the United States provided when they sold arms and provided assistance to the Taliban and their Jihadists in order to defeat the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The Taliban are currently using the training and weapons from Americans to kill American soldiers. It is impossible to predict the actions of foreign nations. This is why Telamon should only sell arms to close allies, as there would be a lower chance of betrayal. |
| Date | 08:32:20, April 21, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | OOC: I feel the need to state that in game we're not allowed to refer to real world things. Therefore, if anyone wishes to use the United States, or its history, as a reason it has to be OOC and a real IC reason must be given too. Also, the proposal in Article 4 is more stringent than allowing arms to only be sold to close allies. The proposal can be, and this is how I have, interpreted as only close allies, on a case by case basis, are allowed buyers of arms. I concur that it could also be interpreted as anyone can buy arms, if the government chooses, but it is a case by case basis. Surely we can agree that Parliament will not allow Telamon to sell arms to an unacceptable buyer. Even if a party wished to do that (whether conservative or liberal) the other side would stop them. Case by case basis puts more control on the situation. As the USPP says, OOC, Telamon must be careful as to who it sells arms to. More security doesn't hurt in this regard. |
| Date | 08:36:47, April 21, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Ordo Malleus (COM) | To | Debating the COM Defense Preparations |
| Message | We are willing to compromise and only put articles 1 and 4 up for vote. We appreciate all parties giving their opinions on the proposed legislation. We feel most strong about articles 1 and 4. That is why we kept them. We hope that all will see our willingness to compromise and work together to enact suitable legislation. -Thorden Raxney COM Party Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 306 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 135 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 60 |
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