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Bill: Ceasefire
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Republics Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2565
Description[?]:
This law will become official only if Likatonia passes a similar bill before 2575.
1. The current ceasefire will be made official, marking an end to the Rapulan War.
2. Seleyan Union troops will be asked to monitor the border until a formal treaty is signed.
3. Likatonia will recognize Lodamese territorial claims in Rapula.
4. Likatonia will recognize Lodamese sovereignty over ethnic-Likatonians with Lodamese citizenship.
5. A formal peace treaty will be negotiated in good faith at a later time. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:16:17, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | We will never accept this cease-fire with these proposals. This is a disgrace to our country. |
| Date | 06:35:13, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | We are just giving up without making Liaktonia pay for what they have done. Lives have been lost and you are just proposing a simple cease-fire anda good faith peace treaty later. I think we have enough evidence not to trust Likatonia. |
| Date | 06:39:15, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | We currently have a ceasefire and no treaty. If this bill passes we will have a formal treaty with concessions and a treaty can still be negotiated later. What's the problem with this? |
| Date | 10:22:12, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Peoples of Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | At this point, it has become painfully clear that Likatonia is unwilling to "pay for what it has done." And Lodamun is unwilling to make them. So dragging this whole ordeal on any longer seems impractical. |
| Date | 10:32:11, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | We will consider our nation in a state of war until a official peace has been signed. A ceasefire is not a decleration of peace. |
| Date | 10:36:27, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | Also I belive the Foreign Minister is the only one who can represent our nation outside our boarders so he is in charge with negotiating a final peace |
| Date | 20:38:53, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | The PFP has the right to declare war and to declare peace. the LLP will have to accept the wil of the legislature. |
| Date | 21:29:08, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | A cease-fire is not a peace treaty. If this passes a state of war will continue until a peace treaty is negotiated. In response to the DPLP, I am willing to make them pay every cent of what they have caused us through force, but I have been trying to get them to pay peacefully. This cease-fire is a declaration of surrendering. It is not fair to our people. |
| Date | 21:30:06, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | I am not sure about this but a cease-fire should be approved by 2/3 of the legislature, just like a peace treaty, even though they are not the same. |
| Date | 21:47:41, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | Im not saying that the PFP cant declare a peace, but the PFP cant tell the other country to agree to peace. The PFP only has a mandate withing our sovereign boarders, so we order the foreign minister to settle a peace soon but we cant directly negotiate with Likatonia officials since Likatonia is not under PFPs mandate |
| Date | 21:49:44, April 21, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | Good point. This cease-fire will also have to be approved by Likatonia. |
| Date | 04:56:00, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | The bill won't take effect unless approved by Likatonia. That's alraedy mentioned in the bill!
We only need a simple majority since this is not a treaty. |
| Date | 05:06:44, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | This cease-fire contains a proposals from a treaty such as the recognition of territory, etc. A cease-fire would only contain the first proposal. This is a peace treaty. Since this bill was not proposed by the Foreign Minister or at least negotiated by the Foreign Minister, I will not recognize it as official, even if it passes and I will ignore it. I urge all parties to vote no. |
| Date | 05:14:26, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | The LP will have to accept this proposal or I will move to impeach. The Liberals cannot choose which laws it will obey. |
| Date | 05:29:21, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | This is a peace treaty. You do not hold the Foreign Minister position. I will disregard this treaty because of the nature of it. I will move to impeach all the representatives of Parliament from the URP for proposing a peace treaty, which they are not allowed to do. |
| Date | 05:43:11, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | Proposals 2,3, and 4 are only allowed on a peace treaty. A cease-fire is just that a cease-fire, not a bill with proposals. I will not allow the URP to take over any cabinet position by force. You do not hold the Foreign Affairs Ministry, you are not allowed to propose this treaty. |
| Date | 06:33:06, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | The PFP is allowed to pass this bill whether you approve or not. It is not a treaty. |
| Date | 06:35:37, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | Of course Parliament is allowed to pass a bill even if this one is a treaty. What is not allowed is some one other than the Foreign Minister to propose a peace treaty, even though you say it is only a bill. |
| Date | 06:42:29, April 22, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ceasefire | | Message | A cease-fire is OK with me but this is clearly not a cease-fire only, it has other proposals. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 54 |
| no | Total Seats: 73 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 23 |
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