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Bill: National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalist Working Families
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2566
Description[?]:
| AMENDMENT: The phrase "serious emergencies" is specifically DEFINED by this statute to mean occasions involving INSURRECTION, TREASON, or REBELLION to this Republic/Commonwealth and/or the **general** enforcement of Federal Law(s). Thank you for your full support. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:39:02, April 23, 2008 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | AMENDMENT: The phrase "serious emergencies" is specifically DEFINED by this statute to mean occasions involving INSURRECTION, TREASON, or REBELLION to this Republic/Commonwealth and/or the **general** enforcement of Federal Law(s). Thank you for your full support. |
| Date | 18:42:37, April 23, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | No, no, no.... RDF is against "turkeysation" of Commonwealth (FYI: In Turkey the military has the right to intervene if there is a violation against Constitution). |
| Date | 20:56:09, April 23, 2008 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | .....But RDF, if a person violates our CONSTITUTION (Written Contract of FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY), then the military is ONLY enforcing the power of the PEOPLE who authorizes the Constitution. [OOC] As for Turkey, I'm not sure how it is there, but the RUTANIAN Constitution is inherently DEMOCRATIC [ ; ) ] . |
| Date | 22:21:10, April 23, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | Constitution may be democratic, but the interpretation of it and also enforcement of it is another thing :-) Enforcement of law and constitution should be only in the hands of civilian government. (There can be military trained police forces- gendarmerie or similar, but everything must be in control of civil government.). Military can only intervene in case of war. |
| Date | 22:21:33, April 23, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | And war is not serious emergency. It is much much more serious than serious emergency :) |
| Date | 03:26:42, April 24, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | We agree. What if there is a mahor riot and the police force cant calm the rioters? Will the city have to burn before we ever even think about using the military to help the police force stop the rioting? |
| Date | 22:30:16, April 24, 2008 CET | From | Fair and Equal World Party | To | Debating the National Defense & Homeland Security Act #4 |
| Message | We would support this bill if the definition of "serious emergency" were narrowed to be something like: "Very violent mass riots that are absolutely uncontrollable by the civil police." The military should be a truly last, last, last resort, not to be bandied about recklessly. The real solution to insurrection is not military intervention, but strengthening of police forces. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 106 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 232 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 261 |
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