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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of July 2567
Details
Submitted by[?]: Pariah Idealism
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2568
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet, Tell me if I have underestimated you or what this really is a very basic draft and I have a feeling I've forgotten someone, I've tried to include everyone as much as possible. Message me if I've made a mistake. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President of the Commonwealth chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Lodamun National Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Lodamun
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Democratic Peoples of Lodamun Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Lodamun
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Pariah Idealism
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the 
Gil's Green party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Lodamun Libertarian Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the United Republics Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Lodamun National Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Lodamun National Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Gil's Green party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the United Republics Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:32:22, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | URP as defense Minister. This cabinet is a joke. |
| Date | 05:47:49, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | Well, you forgot to include my party. After all, you decide who you will include in the cabinet. |
| Date | 05:59:40, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I said it was rough, I'm sorry I left you out but please don't insult us. We tried really hard to get this position. We think URP is a respectable party, don't insult them either. Which post would you like? Name three so I can give you a post not already chosen. |
| Date | 06:04:11, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I didn't insult you, I just said how things work. The President decides who will be int their cabinet. How can you possibly miss me, I mean come on, I am one of the most active parties and have held the Presidency for years. As for the URP, I stand by my comments. They are not fit to hold the Ministry of Defense. One last thing, all the positions are filled, how can you give me one not already chosen? |
| Date | 06:10:51, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I have tried to run my positions through certain people. Foreign affairs and defense will stay as is. The rest have not been seriously thought through. By calling my work a joke insults me even if you don't mean to. A presidency term lasts for years so yes you've been president for years. Don't make it hard for me to be polite and stay on everyones nice side, I hate it when I crack because it's usually more of an explosion. |
| Date | 06:14:27, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | Yes, I called the URP placement as Defense Minister a joke and it is. I don't mean to insult you but if that is the way you want to see it, what can I do about it? I understand that you have parties who support you and that is OK with me. I will not vote for this cabinet. |
| Date | 06:22:10, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | It's Just A Draft! How can I negotiate with a brick wall? I never said anything aggressive about who supports me and who doesn't, I tried to support you as well but its so damn difficult with you and URP trying to massacre each other. Is that the reason you allow the death penalty? I just what to know if you'll vote for a cabinet with URP as defense. Actually I want everyone to tell me if they would because URP stays there. If your ok with that LP then: Which post would you like? Name three so I can give you a post not already chosen. |
| Date | 06:31:41, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I will not vote for a cabinet that has URP as the Defense Minister or Foreign Affairs as simple as that. You don't have a brick wall, not at least with me. I don't have any problem with supporting you as you did in some instances, I thank you for that. But I will not support this proposal because of the reason above. Since you want the Foreign Affairs Ministry, the only one I would like to have is Justice. |
| Date | 06:32:26, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | And yes that is the reason we both voted and allow the death penalty. |
| Date | 06:43:51, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | That is a problem, as I do not wish to push URP out of the position. I would suggest me taking the position but URP endorsed my Presidency. We can resolve this issue at a time when URP is around to stand up for their party. That is the honourable way to go. |
| Date | 06:46:54, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | That is the problem we have with the spoils system. The positions should be based on merit and skills, not favors. I am certain the URP will have something to say about this. |
| Date | 06:51:23, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I agree with that, URP will have something to say. They do meet the criteria it's not like they'd get us trampled over. URP has been here longer than any other active party I know. Skills and merits are out of the question. Also, it's not like it doesn't help to have support from the cabinet writer. |
| Date | 06:58:27, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | Because they have been here longer, it doesn't mean they are capable of running our military, in fact the URP will probably try to dismantle some of our military. URP does not have the capability to run the military. You are entitled to support anyone you want and I respect that but personally your support of the URP will not change my mind at all. |
| Date | 07:08:00, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I agree with some of the dismantling of the military. I'm not trying to change your mind I'm just making it clear that it will be hard to please both of you. |
| Date | 07:10:20, April 27, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I can agree with you on that. We both have polar opposite opinions. |
| Date | 13:26:06, April 27, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | We would rather not have the ministry of finance since it seems that every time we call for drastic cuts in government spending its just ignored, so we think giving us the position would just be joke |
| Date | 04:55:59, April 28, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | If you don't want it I'll take it then. But I'm putting this up for vote and making a new one. What I must ask both of you though is how much do expect from parties who have been disregarded as part of a cabinet? |
| Date | 06:23:57, April 28, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | You have been disregarded for one reason: the way you wanted to manage the country. |
| Date | 06:29:19, April 28, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I never expected you or expect anything from you. Trust me, it wasn't a surprise that I was left out of the cabinet. |
| Date | 11:47:07, April 28, 2008 CET | From | Gil's Green party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | A cabinet with six different parties will never work. And I won't vote yes for a sceptic on environment. |
| Date | 13:39:58, April 28, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2567 |
| Message | I think getting a sceptic on enviroment is just what we need so the state wont spend millions ons unnesecary regulations |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 41 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 92 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 17 |
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