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Bill: Income tax proposal of November 2570
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2572
Description[?]:
| The people deserve the tax cuts. |
Proposals
Article 1
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 600 LOD | 8% | 1,147,000,000 LOD |
| > 850 LOD | 10% | 2,008,000,000 LOD |
| > 1,200 LOD | 14% | 6,425,000,000 LOD |
| > 2,000 LOD | 23% | 12,195,000,000 LOD |
| > 3,000 LOD | 26% | 10,837,000,000 LOD |
| > 4,000 LOD | 30% | 7,997,000,000 LOD |
| > 5,000 LOD | 33% | 7,959,000,000 LOD |
| > 6,500 LOD | 36% | 2,722,000,000 LOD |
| > 7,250 LOD | 38% | 7,944,000,000 LOD |
Total | 59,234,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:00:01, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | The people deserve tax cuts, not just one demographic.
I will oppose this tax cut because you only target it at one group in the society, but I will propose some tax cuts myself when the war is over and the military budget is back down, and we see how much money we can give back to our citizens |
| Date | 23:13:48, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | The poor pay alot less of what they make than the rest, who also gets hit with even more taxes in addition. We belive that a flat tax rate is the most fair to everyone. The poor pay so little tax already that I wont support a tax cut targeted only at them at this time, but will support tax cuts which affects everyone |
| Date | 23:25:08, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | It is impossible to have a flat tax but even if it was possible we can't now. The poor are poor, they should pay less taxes. As I said before, the rich got a tax cut, big tax cut sometime ago. |
| Date | 23:28:36, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Its not impossible to have a flat tax, all we would need to is give everyone the same % of there income in tax. Then if you made 2 times more than another guy you would pay 2x as much tax too, so the people with a low income would pay alot less than the people who hade a bigger income |
| Date | 23:43:40, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | This is what happens with a flat tax. If you make it too low, we will not be able to have a surplus, that is reality. If you make it too high, poor people will pay more. If you make it higher than 9% , poor people will pay more, do you think you can make it at 9% or lower? |
| Date | 23:55:19, May 03, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | If we start cutting our spending seriously, and give every bracket exept the 3 lowest a 17% income tax, give the two next brackets 15 %, and the last 10 % we can actually get a ok budget, (some cuts in the biggest expenditures, meaning defence, Internal Affairs, Education and Culture, Health and Social Services, and Science and Technology, with defence taking the by far biggest cut) although this would be disriminating against the 6 highest tax brackes in favor of the 3 lowest |
| Date | 03:57:40, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Yeah exactly. We can support a flat tax on 17% if we cut our miliatary spending down to 35 billion LOD, and cut 1-2 billion from each of the other ministries I mentioned (actually we can cut a bit less since I calculated with a lower tax bracket for the poorer) |
| Date | 04:08:22, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Well make anyone pay less than other is discrimination towards the majority of our citizens, since the 3 lower brackest only applies to a minority of our citizens.
We will oppose any tax cuts being given only to the lowest 3 brackets because its just wrong to make one bracket pay more than 450% more of the income in tax than another bracket (higest - lowest. The differnec between the lowest and the one in the middle is a bit over 300%) |
| Date | 04:13:22, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | That minority earns very little money, they should keep as much as they can. I was trying to say that if in your future proposal you give everyone a flat tax except the lower three brackets, which should only have a 9% or less tax, I will support. |
| Date | 04:17:12, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Im not gonna lower the tax for the 3 lowest brackets, the least they can do is keep there current tax rate, since I already think its unfair (seriously 300% more is ALOT, and just think about 450%+ a luxury tax on top), and in a flat tax everyone would pay an equal amount of tax, no matter how much they made, which is by far the most fair for everyone (if you dont make alot of money you dont pay alot of tax) |
| Date | 04:21:55, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Do you think it is fair for the poor people to pay a 15% tax rate. They will never be able to pay as much taxes as the rich. What the rich pay in taxes is what the poor earn in one year. Don't only look at the amount of money they would pay but at the amount, with respect to their salaries, that they would pay with a 17% tax rate. They won't be able to survive with that kind of tax. That's why they call them poor, they don't have enough money. The ricj would get a HUGE tax break with your proposal. |
| Date | 04:29:51, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Im not saying they would pay the same amount in tax as the rich, they would pay the same % of there pay check as the middle class and rich, so they would all pay equally much. Also a poor person would still be able to make a decent living with 600 LOD a year evern with a 17% tax rate, but you should not profile the tax break as one that only applies to the rich, as it would imply to a large majority of our citizens, the rich only bein a small part of that (and we dont actually have that many rich people, so there is not really that much money to get there anyway) |
| Date | 04:49:11, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | I agree with you that the rich should get a tax break but I don't agree with you in making the poor pay more than they already do. I don't have any problem with a 17% tax rate for the rich, but making the poor pay 17% seems too much. It would be taking away about one-fifth of their pay check. |
| Date | 05:18:54, May 04, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Well atleast you agree on tax cuts for everyone else. a 17% tax bracket for everyone expet the lower 3 brackets could atleast be a nice start, but it would need a peace agreement and a dramatic budget cut first |
| Date | 06:02:05, May 05, 2008 CET |
From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | Yes, how did I become part of this conversation? I've been working on a slightly more flat tax rate than we have. I found that if we have 20% flat tax, we make just as much. But adding in the fact that most poor cannot afford such a tax I'm working on the lower 3 being the same and seeing how to make it add up. |
| Date | 06:29:25, May 06, 2008 CET |
From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of November 2570 | | Message | I voted no because I like LLP's idea of a flat tax. Since I can't propose tax numbers, keeping the debate going is the only thing I've got to work out the tax numbers. I just need some time, this is really crazy stuff which you cannot do on a calculator. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 103 |
| no | Total Seats: 47 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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