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Bill: DSP.163.2571
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2571
Description[?]:
| The government has no place telling people who they can and can not love. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's policy regarding foreign marriages.
Old value:: Only foreign marriages that comply with domestic policy regarding marriage are recognised.
Current: Only foreign marriages that comply with domestic policy regarding marriage are recognised.
Proposed: All foreign marriages are recognised, regardless of domestic policy regarding marriage.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:32:48, May 04, 2008 CET | From |  Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | CP opposes. Not all foreign laws make moral sense in Sekowo. This is Sekowo, this is where Sekowan law applies, not foreign laws. |
| Date | 23:51:29, May 04, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | Likewise with the Conservatives. |
| Date | 02:26:49, May 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | OOC: Just in case anyone is curious, there is actually a real world case of this. Israel recognizes foreign marriages, however marriages inside Israel are not under state control, which has lead to a situation where only the Rabbi's perform marriage, and most of the time they'll only marry a man and woman who are both Jewish. Also, while this is'nt exactly the same, there are some states in America that recognize foreign or out of state gay marriages, though they are supposed to do that because the constitution says so anyhow, but the Congress decided to ignore that in the 90's. |
| Date | 03:35:03, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | OOC: Uh huh. Let's not spill the gay marriage debate into Sekowo now. =P |
| Date | 04:18:10, May 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | OOC: I was just using the gay marriage one because it's the most controversial right now. |
| Date | 04:19:13, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | [[The constitution says that where? Many state constitutions specifically forbid homosexual marriage, and let's not forget that any power not explicitly given by the constitution to the federal government is reserved for the states]] |
| Date | 05:00:51, May 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | OOC: The constitution states that all states must recognize the contracts and such of the other states. |
| Date | 05:11:04, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | [[Mind pointing out the article?]] |
| Date | 05:21:24, May 05, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | OOC: Article 4, section 1 |
| Date | 05:53:01, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | [[How is it being violated? "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof." [[It is fully constitutional (and we're pretending Congress had not passed laws on these matters) for one state to have a law permitting individuals to walk around fully nude. It is also consitutional for a neighboring state to require such individuals to be fully clothed upon entering the state, regardless of the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of the other state. It is fully constitutional for one state to legally recognize cohabitation ("concubinage"), and for another state to require parties to be married for legal recognition. It is constitutional for one state to legally approve of and allow inidividuals to carry about marijuana, and another to make it illegal and to jail individuals who bring marijuana into the state. [[Article 4 does NOT require states to enforce the laws of other states, when people come from those states into their own states. It does not prevent them from having their own laws, and requiring the individuals residing in their own state to follow their own laws. If the law of one state is "All marriages in this state must be between a man and a woman to be recognized", then they may expect those residing in their state to follow this law, regardless of the law of the state they came from.]] |
| Date | 05:56:59, May 05, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.163.2571 |
| Message | [[For what it's worth: What this article means is that the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of each state are to be considered adequately "proved" in one state if they are so in another. So if one state issues a marriage certificate in Texas, Utah cannot then demand evidence (beyond a marriage certificate issued by the state of Texas) for the couple to "prove" that they were married, in essence showing no faith in the public records of the state of Texas. It does not obligate Utah to recognize Texan marriage laws, but simply offer full faith in the validity of the act and its evidences, etc., as performed in Texas. [[In short: It's an issue of faith, not of legality.]] |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 238 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 362 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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