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Bill: New Military Tech
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ligue de Nationalistes de Kanjor
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2572
Description[?]:
| A proposal to add a new technology to our military arsenal. Tech would be a Mech suit that is worn by specially trained soldiers. 1)Has machine gun attached to both forearms 2)Has a rocket launcher attached to left shoulder that flips forward 3)Has a flamethrower attached to right wrist 4)Can be integrated to get Jet pack attached to backs off legs 5)Carries 6 Frag Grenades on Belt Basic Model Picture http://compsci.ca/tech/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/bandai_gundam_model.png |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:09:37, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | This is stupid. voting no on principle. |
| Date | 02:29:46, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Hell. No. |
| Date | 03:22:41, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Blanc | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | You sure? In our country we recently armed Nancy Drew with a lightsaber, and it is Master Yoda's professional opinion that the clones can adequately defend our nation. There's even talk of a death star! Vive Rildanor! (mes pauvres amis, je suis desole pour vous. Il est difficile pour faire des choses avec des personnes trop bizarre.) Estelle |
| Date | 05:15:21, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | OOC: You know you keep saying these are impossible, and by the picture he gave, I would have to agree. Yet if you want to call yourself a Rping nation, you can not rule out the fact that some such as the LNK are proposing is not impossible. The year is 2572, and yes some of the bills might not be the same as they are in RL, but that does not mean that technologoy does not advance. Hell if you want to change the bills, put on up on the forum to be added in. so to vote no, just beacuse you think this is impossible is stupid, and kind of childish, not to mention not Rping. To vote on it beacuse the picture does not match the description, I don't blame you. |
| Date | 08:09:09, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | OOC: I don't see you working towards a degree in Physics. |
| Date | 20:27:06, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | OOC: if you are talking to me, then this is my response. Once again you keep thinking of it as 2008, when you should believe it is 2572. Beacuse so, you put down very logical things such as this propsal. Now I agree the picture he choice is stupid, but what he is proposing is very much possible, due to the fact that there already are Mech type body suits. This is your nation, so you can use WW II tanks if you want, but most of the nations in this game accpet that beacuse it is the year 2572, that man kind would have moved forward some. He is not proposeing that you use magic, or use some talking dog to solve some crime. He is simply proposing that you RP a little more and use somthing that is very much possible, by the year 2572. To answer your question, no I am not majoring is Physics, I hate Math, but I do know enough to say, that physics is not set in stone, and that you never know what amazing things mankind might make by 2572. I am not anywhere near an expert on Physics, so I am not going to say that you are wrong that it is unlikly to happen, but the fact that it is is unlikely does not make it impssoible. For that reason, it seems very silly to say that mankind will not move forward in over 550 years in the future. |
| Date | 21:26:07, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Ligue de Nationalistes de Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | First of all, I know the picture is stupid. It was the closest thing to what I wanted that I could find. Also, think of this as deep sea suits that have just been outfited with weapons and Armor. I agree with the ICA because we are honestly falling behind the rest of the world very fast. If we don't upgrade, we might as well not even have a military. So, I don't see why you don't want these upgrades. All I want is to be able to defend our nation in the event we are attacked for whatever reason. |
| Date | 22:41:43, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | We are not calling the picture stupid, we didn't even look at it. What we find stupid is that not only are these are taken from a game, but they have no bearing on how this game works at all. We wouldn't even mind if you proposed new things to use in our military, but let's not have them be blatantly plagiarised. |
| Date | 23:14:10, May 06, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | These proposals are silly. |
| Date | 01:36:42, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | OOC: And if you have been reading anything I've said, I'm not saying that mechs are not real but they are expensive, inefficient and highly impractical even for the future. They are, simply, a high-profile target which a foot soldiers can take out easier than a tank, obvious structural weaknesses not withstanding. The future of military power is in precision weaponry, electromagnetic rail guns, increased air power and integrated fighting systems for both light and mechanized infantry. It is not in lumbering huge behemoths with large targets which the Germans and Japanese relied on until the end of WWII despite Allied air power and ingenuity in infantry and light tank tactics. The very reason you don't, say, see battleships like the Bismarck or Yamato anymore or large tanks like the Tiger is because they were too large, despite their OMGZ 1337 HAXX0RZ FIERPOWAR!!! Mechs would essentially have large "Shoot here to kill me" targets on their knees and hydraulic and/or pneumatic systems. Second of all, your argument is invalid because PHYSICS IS A SET OF LAWS AND THEORIES USED TO DESCRIBE PHYSICAL INTERACTIONS. You know, the basic laws which the universe are based on. Even the recent field of quantum mechanics and Einstein's own theory of relativity are extensions of concepts of classical physics. The scientific definition of theory which creationists can't seem to understand is that for something to be considered a scientific theory, it needs to have overwhelming evidence in support of it but not complete and absolute knowledge that there are no random anomalies where it does not apply. In which case only then it is law. Mechs being efficient, impenetrable and rapid machines despite the huge energy costs violates not only theories but laws. And, no, you can't pull something out of your ass and claim that it is a theory because that would be hypothesis in scientific terms. What you mean is that technology changes due to ingenuity. Thirdly, just because we don't want to have massive MEGA-FIARPOWAR DESTROY EVERYTHING SUPER HAPPY FUN suits doesn't mean our RP and our nation is no longer valid. We don't want mech suits so we don't have them. It's as simple as that and the rest of the world doesn't have to conform to what you think is graet. So you think mechs are the shit. I don't blame you, they look cool. That doesn't mean, however, that you can shove it down our throats at any given opportunity because you think they would totally PWN anything we have. If you are so adamant that everyone should have them, well, there's the door, now GTFO of Kanjor, weeaboo. At least until you can think of some better arguments instead of recycled lines. Or, you know, just lurk moar. That is, of course, not directed at LNK as the Command & Conquer seems to have some rather good concepts for weapons and vehicles even if they are recycled from other sci-fi. The Zone Trooper (though we have no environmentally hazardous areas so the point of them is rather useless) and the Firehawk are two such examples. Plus C&C just elicits a lot of nostalgia for the 90s in me. |
| Date | 01:59:45, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | One we are not trying to shove anything down your throats, we are simple finding it funny that you disprove something that one is normal human size if you read the description, and is like a simple armor suit that soldiers wear into battle. If we were trying to shove them down your throats, then we beings saying stuff such as " unless you have mechs, your nations is going to die." All we have said, which I am surpirsied you keep missing, since like you said we have said it over and over again is, that you should not turn something down just beacuse it seems out there for now. Second, we were really not refering to you as much Bloc, as we were to the those that simpley vote no beacuse they think that this stuff is impossible. We have mechs in our nation, but we have never, I reapeat NEVER SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE THEM. All I have ever said, is that you should not say no to ideas such as this, just beacuse they might hint to them. Yes Mechs are expensive, hint out large military budget in our nation, that we have to have at least above 150,000,000,000 at all times, and when at war at least at 300,000,000,000. Thirdly, we have sworn to never invade your nation,I don't know how many times, so I don't where you are getting this destory everything and be happy and fun crap. We stck by our arguement that you will never know what the future holds, and if you have read our past messages to you, you would see that we have agreed with you on their praticality. YET WE HAVE NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER EVER TRIED TO SHOVE ANYTHING DOWN YOUR DAMN THROATS, AND IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY THEN YOU HAVE IT ALL IN YOU HEAD BUCKO. We agree that C&C has great things in it, and we are glad to see that you agree with that, what I don't understand is how if you even see the word mech you think of somthing like ours. When this read here is suppose to be from what I can tell human size. Lastly, really do we have to restort to this Bloc, calling eachother names and being rude. A true Gentalmen would never resort to being that low, and it hurts me that I have to do so, just to have a conversation over somthing that could be a great RP opputnity for your nation considering that the Romefeller Foundation (a huge weapans manufacture company) is based right in Alduria, and we could set something up to start haveing some buying ans selling, and hell mabey even a stock exchange. We just don't understand why you think everthing to be somewhat set in stone. This is a game, that yes is based on the real world, but you never know what this world, or any world can produce in the furture. (As a side note, is it not in phyics that the possability of parralle universes exist, which means that just beacuse something does not exist in one thta it does not mean it can't exist in another. Because so does that not mean that the right technology that exist in one could not exist in another, or that soemthing that would be considered impossible or weak in one would be strong and very possible in other. I don't know, and was just wondering.) |
| Date | 02:00:16, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | That was beautiful. Marry me. |
| Date | 02:02:03, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Meaning the wonderful defense of science by the Bloc, of course, not the whining about name calling. |
| Date | 02:09:10, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Of course, I would expect you to support your own nations parties. |
| Date | 02:15:29, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Meaning the wonderful defense of science by the Bloc, of course, not the whining about name calling. |
| Date | 02:17:48, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Aaaand an accidental double post. Of course, my support is not simply some nationalist rubbish. The Bloc happen to be right. |
| Date | 02:25:41, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | And I said they were, if you read what I said. I am no Phyics Major, he might be. I am a Political Science Major. So if he knows more than I agree, I just hate it when people put down others, beacuse they use the excuse that it is impossible. They said going to the moon was impossible, and yet it was done. |
| Date | 02:27:34, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Also in case anyone here is intrested, the RF is coming out with a Robocop type suit, for soldiers to wear. It is to be released in Alduria this December, but be out to other nations by Feb. 2573. |
| Date | 02:42:23, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Démocratique du Kanjor | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | Well, there's impossible and then there's impossible, isn't there? Some things are impossible because of engineering challenges (thus Lord Kelvin's famous remark about powered flight) and some things are impossible because of laws of physics challenges. Tanks are always going to be more efficient than mechs because of the laws of physics. |
| Date | 03:00:35, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | That is true, but that is why we have games, and the dreams of the imagination. |
| Date | 06:29:34, May 07, 2008 CET | From | Parti Blanc | To | Debating the New Military Tech |
| Message | We wonder why the Ligue is so pressed to create weapons of war? Are you not at peace with your neighboring nations? Do you fear the imperialists? |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 185 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 315 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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