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Bill: Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2575
Description[?]:
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:18:14, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | We would strongly encourage the parties of Lodamun to ratify this treaty. Telamon has voted to extend a hand of friendship to our neighbors despite your sweeping rejection of our international treaty. We desire a partnership between our two great Republics that might benefit the people of both our nations, and should hope that you do as well. This treaty would be a boost to both of our economies and set a precedent of future cooperation.
Kirk Morrison
Foreign Affairs
Republic of Telamon |
| Date | 15:13:51, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | It is a pointless treaty. And also we must not let foreign parties influence the PFPs agenda, so I would appreciate if all foreign parties stay away from the debate, and if nothing else, urges all parties to vote no to send a message that we dont accept foreign interferences when our legislature makes desicions |
| Date | 21:57:21, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | LLP, you are being very rude. You also post comments in debates of other countries. They have the right to influence our decision as we have the right t influence their decisions, that is politics. You are taking a very aggressive tone of voice, remebers me of someone. They are not influencing the agenda, they are influencing our decision. Voting no because we want to send a message is not the way to do things. The last thing we need is to lose another ally. How many allies do we have? That's right, only Telamon. We better keep this relationship afloat or we are the ones to lose. |
| Date | 22:02:30, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | They can speak there mind in the general announcment field. Also you think foreign influence on our desicions is a good thing? Cause I dont, and the way I see it the last thing we need is foreign interference in our desicion making. Also when I have posted in other countries debats (which I dont do much, only the peace conference which where specificly for that and 1 or 2 other times) I usally do it to provide information, but not to influence the desicion. And if you are trying to hint that I sound like the URP or PI, you have made a few agressive comments yourself, so I guess we are all guilty. |
| Date | 22:07:27, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Well, your comments were a bit agressive with no reason. And yes, I have made some agressive comments myself and I admit it. They can influence our decision by posting their opinions, they are not forcing us to vote one way or the other. Foreign influence is part of politics. Also remember that they are a party of interest on this matter because it is a treaty between their country and ours. One thing I want to make clear, I didn't specify who I was referring to. |
| Date | 22:11:43, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Yeah I know you dident specify, I speculated. But anyway you could atleast wait a election before you repropose to give it some time. We rejected this (and every party voted) so give it some time before you repropose.
And about the foreign influence I know it exist, but I dont approve of foreign influence when the PFP makes a decision, and I can also post my opinions on the subject, which I do and will continue to do since I disagree |
| Date | 22:14:51, May 08, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Sure you can post anything you want, that is your right. But understand that they only meant to express their oipinion on a matter of common interest. I think you could have asked more nicely like you usually do. I will not put this bill for a revote until one year at least. |
| Date | 01:03:08, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | The LLP's calls to reject this treaty simply because I expressed a hope that your country finds this treaty as valuable as mine did are insulting. I do not wish to make decisions for your country or to force you to make decisions for your country. In fact, I do not even strive to exert undue influence over the parties of your nation. I only wish to expose you to Telamon's point of view on the matter. Tell me sir, why should it be so outrageous that I inform you that my nation is interested in friendship and alliance with your nation? You consider that foreign influence? In truth, it is only creating foreign awareness through information. It is only proper that the parties of your nation have the right to access as much information as possible in order to make an informed decision of international magnitude. Does your party leadership not agree?
Kirk Morrison
Foreign Affairs
Democratic Capitalist Delegation |
| Date | 01:15:33, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Well the LLPs reject is not cause by your simple statement, we have already had this bill up before and it was rejected by a majority, and I noted my reason for rejecting it there. However your statement did more than simply state the truth in a impartial way, (quoting "We would strongly encourage the parties of Lodamun to ratify this treaty"" it was a attempt to push our legislature into voting to ratify the treaty.
We do agree that other parties should be able to provide information benefitial to the bill, as long as the party in question keep a strict neutrality when providing such information |
| Date | 05:16:52, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | The whole tone of the LP and DCD is disgusting. -If you vote against this horrible treaty, you're against friendship with Telamon. That is simply not the case. As I have stated, we value friendship with all nations. The URP and LLP favor free trade with all nations and friendship with all nations. DCD should move on and let the PFP make its own decision at this point and stop complaining that the LLP is "insulting." Making such loaded statements on matters of internal parliamentary debate is unacceptable in this case. |
| Date | 06:20:55, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | You would be, in fact, rejecting friendship with Telamon. This treaty does not contain any articles that may not be beneficial for us or Telamon. The LLP and the URP can vote no if they want to but promoting other parties to vote no just "to send a message" is disgusting. |
| Date | 16:05:05, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Capitalist Delegation | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | That encouragement which we stated is simply the position of the Telamonian government on the matter. It's simply an expression of position. Lodamun remains free to make its own decision, we just believed it would be useful to do so with the position of the Telamonian government in mind. Your vote on this bill concerns the Government of Telamon just as much as it does your own country, so the position that we should be required to remain silent through the process is illconceived.
Regardless, it is apparent that Lodamun is not interested in ratifying this treaty, so I will make a motion for Telamon's withdrawl.
Kirk Morrison
Foreign Affairs
Republic of Telamon |
| Date | 16:45:03, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | The position of the Telamon government has been noted, but it does not reflect the opinion of the Lodamun legislature. You are free to provide any information into the discussion, as long as your are impartial, since this is Lodamun, and as such the parties of Lodamun make the desicion, while Telamon will just have to wait and see the outcome |
| Date | 17:01:58, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Rightful Radical Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | And do you know why? It is because you were the main point of oppresion in this friendly nation-nation treaty. That is why. We are withdrawing from it because Lodamun didn't ratify it. Nice show.
Ljubomir Adamovic
Ex-Foreign Affairs Minister
RRP |
| Date | 19:32:12, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Yeah I know why you are pulling out, I was just pointing out that you where to the parties here. And with this agressive tone from the ex FA minister, It adds to my reasons for opposing this treaty, and I have no doubt that it was for the best of both parties that this is now not going through. Also you have to exept a opposion. Not everyone agrees with you the entire time, but there is no reason to go agressive just because of that. |
| Date | 21:05:43, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Are you saying that to me or to RRP? If it is to me, I didn't get aggressive, to the contrary, I tried to calm everyone down, including you LLP. The RRP is a very trusted and admired party. The Foreign Affairs Minister has a great deal of appretiation to the RRP ad we see them as our allies in Telamon. I ask everyone to please lower your tone of voice, there is no need to get aggressive here. Thatis to everyone. |
| Date | 22:51:36, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | 1. I was referring to the RRP, not to you LP on my last comment.
2. I notice your effort, and although I disagree with the treaty I do think its nice that you pur a effort into your job.
3. I was simply congratulating them on a bill which is as good as passed. I did not interfer during the debate process trying swing them towards my point of view, I only made my comment after I saw that the bill was certain to pass (395-58 vote)
4. When it comes to foreign policy you said it yourself LP that the President is the foreign minister by de facto, and that coupled with the fact that the President is the head of state means that you cant excuse my comments as they are the official comments made by the head of state regarding the matter, and as such is at the least of equal importence as to the PMs and FAs comments, if not even more. So dont excuse my comments and marginalize them, it was a official message from the head of state, not just a comment from one of the parties. |
| Date | 23:00:17, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | Your comments called the treaty useless. You shouldn't use your powers as President to trash the treaty. I asked your comments to be excused because they simply called my treaty useless, which it isn't. I have never used my powers as FA to talked badly about any of your proposal. I expect the same. |
| Date | 23:09:14, May 09, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Telamon-Lodamun Friendship Treaty | | Message | I did called the treaty useless yes, but I do think it is a useless treaty, and therfore I talk of it as such, and if you think its okay to excuse my comments because you disagree then I could use the same line of reasoning towards your comments, so I would like you to refer from excusing my comments again, or It is with in my powers to fire you (in game terms that would be to propose a new cabinet). I have only once proposed something to another country acting as president, but if you dident like that proposel you would have your full right to express such, just as you would to any treaty, as long as you stay by your statement. |
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| yes | Total Seats: 20 |
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| abstain | Total Seats: 16 |
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