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Bill: Drugs
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coburan Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2577
Description[?]:
| Cannot believe this policy was reversed...drugs arent about freedom or choice...Not only are they addictive but they affect people around you....They cost the health service billions, increase crime and cause family breakdowns in the poorest families of the country....I urge the parties to support this bill immediately... It is not the childs choice to have a parent who is addicted to drugs so he spends all his hard income on drugs so has nothing for the family this must stop |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The recreational drug policy.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies.
Current: The use of cannabis is legal.
Proposed: Recreational drug use is forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:59:18, May 16, 2008 CET |
From |  Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | This policy has never been reversed. Drugs are only addictive to a very small segment of society, and these are people who should not be using any addictive substance, never mind hard drugs. They don't cost the health service billions....that's just a bold faced lie with nothing to back it up. It doesn't cause crime because the very illegality of drugs is the cause of crime. When you prohibit drug use, you just hand over a billion COB industry over to criminals who are more than happy to fill the huge gap in the market. As a result of illegalising drugs, the street prices will sky-rocket, and junkies will be forced to rob and steal to fund their habit.
If you're going to get all high and mighty about something, actually know what the fuck you're talking about first. |
| Date | 11:14:49, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Well at least it send the message that it is wrong...
And secondly it does cost the health service billions....Drugs rehab, illness caused by drugs, health problems and accidents that occur through the influence of drugs and from crime...
Excuse me it makes no difference the fact that drugs are legal..if someone is addicted and cannot afford the drugs he is still going to resort to stealing to obtain the money and drugs |
| Date | 11:16:15, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | i dont think you have a clue...you live in a little liberterian bubble that does not give a fuck about the people who get addicted to it and all should be done to make it illegal and less accessible. |
| Date | 11:20:55, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | No, it does not cost billions. You have zero evidence for that. I think you'll find that things like alcoholism, cigarettes and obesity all cost FAR more than any illegal substance. You don't really have a clue, do you? When drugs are legal you can actually help those who are addicted, like the free heroin clinics which administer them with heroin and watch their health situation. The truth of the matter is that studies have shown that these places see a dramatic fall in death rates in addicts, their health improves, they get jobs, a house....and yet they're still taking heroin. Of course, when you make things illegal, they have nowhere to turn....expect the dealer across the street who has a 1000% profit rate because you made drugs illegal. |
| Date | 11:23:01, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Libertarian bubble? I live in the heroin addict capital of Europe you fucking cunt, and guess what? I care far more about these people than you do, so shove your fake fucking moral panic up your arse, and don't ever question my empathy again. You know fuck all about this issue and it shows. Even the police want drugs legalised.....that says it all. |
| Date | 11:30:42, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | hahha...my word...free heroin clinics how much does that cost then? |
| Date | 11:32:58, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | and you dont have to descend into complete disgraceful abuse you should never use that word...dont fucking debate with me if you are going to be condensending...you accuse me of not knowing anything on economics when clearly i have a know more than you because I have a masters in it...why cant u accept u r not always right and you dont have to abuse people who disagree with you |
| Date | 11:33:41, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | you are the fuking child and you are disgrace to yourself...you are embarassing yourself |
| Date | 11:35:08, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | drugs destroy families and societies so why make it easier and make them ok to take...many studies show the dangers of drug taking so dont tell me there are not drug risks...and just couse u think only a few get addicted that this doesnt matter |
| Date | 11:36:11, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | and lastly we are talking about Cobura and not real life... I wasnt questioning anything about your real life views, i thought we didnt use real life examples...and if you cant play the game then dont |
| Date | 11:37:39, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | so dont asked me to debate with you because its not worth it...you just behave like a child...like the infant industry thing you were asking people to debate but what is the point you just abuse people. |
| Date | 11:38:57, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | You were the one who 'descended into abuse' you fucking cunt, and yes, I will keep using that word, especially now as I know it gets to you. You were also the one who started acting condescending despite the fact you obviously haven't even taken at least a minute to check your facts. When did I ever say anything about your economics knowledge? |
| Date | 11:44:16, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Drugs don't destroy societies or families. Sorry, that's just not true. I think you mean 'drug addiction' of course, but that's rather minuscule compared to alcoholism, gambling and other things. Making them legal won't mean more people will take them. When they legalised cannabis in the Netherlands, the number of users actually went down. If you want to talk studies I can shower you with them all day until your eyes bleed. |
| Date | 11:44:44, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "i dont think you have a clue...you live in a little liberterian bubble that does not give a fuck about the people who get addicted"
Hello? |
| Date | 11:46:14, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "you accuse me of not knowing anything on economics when clearly i have a know more than you because I have a masters in it."
Hahahahaha. Who's being condescending now? |
| Date | 11:48:49, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "like the infant industry thing you were asking people to debate but what is the point you just abuse people"
I never 'abused' anyone in that bill. Maybe you shouldn't have jumped down my fucking throat just because I hold a different viewpoint from you? 'libertarian bubble'? Ha. You're the only child here. Until you can debate the issue and not the man then get the fuck out. |
| Date | 11:49:03, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | there is a big difference between cannabis though not a good example |
| Date | 11:49:54, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | excuse me right
If you're going to get all high and mighty about something, actually know what the fuck you're talking about first.
the first comment is that really neccessary...you started it |
| Date | 11:50:35, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Did you or did not you not 'abuse' me? Did you or did you not 'condescend' me?
I was only reacting to your sheer abrasiveness. |
| Date | 11:50:46, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | any time i try to debate with you...you excuse me of not knowing anything and telling me to shut up..what gives you the right..no wonder in Cobura nothing gets debated anymore when the bill goes straight to vote |
| Date | 11:51:49, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "the first comment is that really neccessary...you started it"
You made things up about drug use costing BILLIONS....I had to do it. |
| Date | 11:53:43, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Ok then Sally Sue, where else have I told you to shut up? I want specific examples. |
| Date | 11:54:38, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | so you are telling me for sure that it doesnt...yeh but why cant you say sorry you are wrong and you are making wild figures up...rather than attacking me like that |
| Date | 11:57:57, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | right ok..ill link you all the bills you have gone off on one for merely suggesting a viewpoint different to yours |
| Date | 11:59:30, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | A different viewpoint? You mean like 'little libertarian bubble'? Who's attacking who now, just for having a different viewpoint.
Jesus Christ, this is possibly the worst case of self-delusional victimisation I've ever seen....and I've seen some crazy shit. |
| Date | 12:01:10, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Total economic costs or reactive expenditure is estimated to be £3.5 billion for Class A drug
use in England and Wales, 2000 (medium estimate, range is £2.9bn to £5.3bn). This
equates to some £1,927 averaged over all Class A drug users, and £10,402 averaged
over problem drug users. The majority of the estimated costs are created by problem users.
Total social costs are substantially higher even though only limited data were available. The
total estimate of consequences was £12 billion for 2000 (medium estimate, range is
£10.1bn to £17.4bn). This equates to £6,564 per year averaged over all Class A drug
users, £35,456 for problem drug users |
| Date | 12:01:17, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Why am I now expecting a bunch of quotes pulled completely out of context? |
| Date | 12:08:25, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | anyway doesnt matter lets just leave it..and let the assembly decide lol...they are going to open this bill to find a very long debate |
| Date | 12:08:42, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Even in the conclusion they essentially admit to just making assumptions.
Not to mention the fact the research wasn't actually carried out by the home office themselves. |
| Date | 12:09:16, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | i think we are both wrong and both right at the same time... hmm i doubt you think that though lol |
| Date | 12:10:12, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | yeh i agree...it may not be as much as that but it is going to be billions i should have put a figure on it.....but i still think it is in the billions range even if it is not 12bn |
| Date | 12:11:28, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | If I was ever wrong I would admit so, but until proved beyond a doubt I'll remain a stubborn bastard. |
| Date | 12:12:19, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | and to add to your point a lot of these costs are also prison costs...which when drugs are legal you wouldnt have..but it is still billons! |
| Date | 12:12:47, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | I think the major problem with that report is the estimation of drug users. It's kind of difficult to make such an estimation....because drugs are illegal....haha |
| Date | 12:13:32, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | Prison costs? I never saw that bit. I should throw the damn thing out purely based on that. |
| Date | 12:15:40, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | I'd like to see a similar report on alcoholism. I imagine the costs would rise into the trillions based on their methodology... |
| Date | 12:29:44, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "If the law on recreational drug use were changed in Cobura, so that it was illegal, the RAFC would perform a similar operation to the one we currently do in other, undisclosed nations, and fill the gap in the market."
- Commander Niculae, RAFC |
| Date | 17:51:04, May 16, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Labour Party of Cobura | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | "We had a long debate in the meeting of the Assembly Democratic Labour Party, on how to respond to the RAFC's response to this, some of the members of the Assembly party wanted to condemn it, others wanted to ignore it, and some others commend it. However in any case, what we can say is that it would be better for an organisation like the RAFC to fill in the gap in the market, than for the mafia or other criminal organisations."
Edward Thomson, DLP leader and leader of the oppisition. |
| Date | 10:43:22, May 17, 2008 CET |
From | Coburan Conservative Party | To | Debating the Drugs | | Message | what better 4 a terrorist organisation to do it.and some of u parties are so pessimistic let the police do their job |
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