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Bill: DSP.176.2577
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2578
Description[?]:
| It is in our opinion (and that of the law) that whales are sentient being and as such whaling is murder. This is more just bring this law into harmony with our existing laws on the subject overall. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on whaling.
Old value:: The government has no position on this.
Current: Whaling is illegal.
Proposed: Whaling is illegal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:43:10, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | Well, such a law would put whalers out of business, and also all the people who are employed. Putting the rights of animals "believed to be sentient" above our citizens who most certainly are, and putting the lives of animals above those of humans, is repugnant. |
| Date | 01:24:37, May 18, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | Whales are sentient, the fact is not disputed, further more anyone caught whaling is a murderer. Further more our laws recognizes Whales (and dolphins, Elephants and some great apes) as being sentient, thusly this legislation is meant to bring all laws into harmony. Whales (and the above mentioned) have been considered sentient by law for over a century, and protected and give the same basic rights (IE human rights), and thusly this law is more a technicality. |
| Date | 01:26:28, May 18, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | OOC: Whaling is essentially illegal in real life, in fact the only reason all hwaling is'nt completely illegal globally is because Japan and seom Amerindian tribes complained about it. |
| Date | 06:33:56, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | [[What is "illegal" or "legal" in real life has no necessary relation to either science or morality. However, practicality may factor in.]] |
| Date | 06:53:14, May 18, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | OOC: I'm just saying, there is real world precident for it, instead of say something that does'nt have any precident, like 5 year old strippers, and yes I know that's a disturbing image. |
| Date | 08:20:25, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | OOC: I wouldn't want to imagine it |
| Date | 01:19:00, May 19, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the DSP.176.2577 |
| Message | [[Those exist in some parts of the world.]] |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 180 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 420 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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