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Bill: Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2579
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:20:40, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | Strongly against. I don't support treaties, countries shouldn't govern other countries. |
| Date | 22:27:56, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Public Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | My party supports. We believe that internalism is good, and that this treaty does not in any way threaten our nations sovriegnity as most of the treaties article a re already commonly accepted by this government. A nation can't just put its head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening. |
| Date | 22:43:36, May 17, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | As we can withdraw any time, yes, it is better just to talk to nations if in trouble |
| Date | 01:53:36, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | This treaty does not represent any threat of your sovereignity, but represents an institution of mutual cooperation in defence and security matters. Rutania and Aloria are neighbours, they should cooperate and be friends. Therefore I call you to enter this alliance. In case you don't, we still call you to establish an agreement wich will foster our friendly relations, not just in security matters, also in economical, cultural, scientific and other areas. Signed, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Rutania, George Thurmann |
| Date | 11:00:18, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | Well we can be friendly, but treaties defeat the purpose of democracy |
| Date | 17:05:49, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Public Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | no they don't. So long as the treaty is accepted democratically, its perfectly in line with democracy. |
| Date | 19:28:00, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | When did Alorians elect parties in Rutania? |
| Date | 19:48:05, May 18, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Public Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | Democratically accpted by the parliament in aloria elected by alorians and democratically elected by thewlegislature in rutania democratically elected by rutanians. Both countries agree democratically to consent, there fore nothing about such a treaty is contradictive to the principles of democracy. |
| Date | 01:30:02, May 19, 2008 CET | From | Alorian Public Union | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | We request this bill be brought up to a vote. |
| Date | 19:02:40, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Democratic Rationalists (PrCoa) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | Treaties don't defeat the purpose of democracy when they're democratically ratified by all nations which are parties to the treaty, and can be withdrawn from at any time through democratic action. In fact, treaties represent a higher form of consensual government than regular democracy, at least as they exist in Aloria. They require a 2/3ds majority to ratify, and only a 1/2 majority to withdraw from. The will of the people must strongly favor a treaty to make and sustain it as law. |
| Date | 20:06:31, May 20, 2008 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | Sovereignty is not, and never has been, absolute. |
| Date | 10:33:56, May 21, 2008 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Continental Defence Cooperative Treaty |
| Message | i will never agree to treaty that allows country to develop and use bio+chem weapons. wake up. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 507 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 136 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 107 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "History is made by angry minorities, not by passive majorities." - Fareed Zakaria |