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Bill: Business Bill #3
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kanjoran Imperial Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2114
Description[?]:
| For the economy... |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: All veterans shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:33:00, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | Since we do not wish to add to the ranks of the homeless, this will have our categorical opposition. |
| Date | 02:57:14, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | The current option for Article 1 is sufficient enough in that it is enough to keep someone from starving and otherwise dying. As far as the pension system goes, the proposed would abandon countless elderly people who rely on their government pension system. And private pensions may be less affordable. |
| Date | 03:08:37, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran Imperial Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | i don't see that logic. |
| Date | 04:56:24, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | We do not agree with the proposed. |
| Date | 05:38:24, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran Imperial Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | govn't needs to be smaller. people can make it, don't worry about them, they'll pull through. Someone out there can help. We need to count on the moral sympathy of our people instead of institutionalizing it. There are charities which can fix the problem, we shouldn't get so involved in people's lives. |
| Date | 05:57:04, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | The fact is, charities don't cut it. In the USA before the New Deal, even before the Great Depression swelled the ranks of the poor, many people were homeless or living in rat infested lousy surroundings. The government should make it its business to see that no law abiding Kanjoran suffers needlessly. |
| Date | 15:30:12, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran Imperial Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | we aren't in a depression |
| Date | 16:24:32, September 20, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | Wow, maybe one could read more carefully? We said *even before the Great Depression*. |
| Date | 07:08:07, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran Imperial Party | To | Debating the Business Bill #3 |
| Message | god, that's harsh |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 115 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 325 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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